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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #29

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nauticant · 16/07/2025 20:46

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

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CriticalCondition · 17/07/2025 15:13

NC [KS email of 29 Dec to all consultants - 29 cons?
GM Under 20
GM To all of them setting out Beth's side of story. Fair to say that by time all consultants in EDept got this confidentiality in the case has been lost.
GM I don't think Dr Searle should have sent that to all consultants.

Any predictions on when are we going to hear this infamous email read out? I guess NC is saving it for when Kate Searle gives evidence.

Conxis · 17/07/2025 15:13

Lunde · 17/07/2025 14:56

All of Fife's witnesses seem way out of their depth and to have been promoted waaaaaaaaay over their level of competence

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And NHS Fife is stuck with these people. No-one else is going to employ them!

Datun · 17/07/2025 15:14

BezMills · 17/07/2025 14:44

From TT

(repeat)
G C belief - that sex matters GM don't understand q
NC I'll leave it there.

Doesn't even bother dropping an anvil. No sport in this.

NC It was obvious re suspension/ d/x process that SP was unhappy. That she felt f cr being used by man intimidating and humiliating. GM Yes, on Xmas eve
NC ED doesn't doubt genuineness of SP feelings.

GM Doesn't seem to
NC Do you doubt?
GM No
NC I'm giving you the opportunity to say if you think it was ?un/reasonable for SP to object to the [inclusion of DU in f cr]. It's okay if you don't want to take that opportunity.

This new Anvil seems the same size, but is massy. Papers are sliding off the desks towards the middle of the room. Long hair is drifting like there is a Van-der-Graf generator.

GM [declines]

NC thinks for a second, then waves it away. It will keep. The room returns to normal. There is a faint smell of what we hope is ozone.

[short break]

Oh my God, I'm loving this. It's like going to the cinema in the middle of the afternoon

ickky · 17/07/2025 15:14

PETE?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 17/07/2025 15:14

Waitwhat23 · 17/07/2025 14:56

I do wonder how many Scots are on here and where we're all from. It would be interesting (but I suspect unwieldy) to find out.

🙋🏻‍♀️ I'm from near Glasgow.

Cookiepuss · 17/07/2025 15:14

I'm normally a lurker on these threads and cannot put into words how angry I am that women (the biological ones) are put into this situation due to the lunacy of gender ideology.

I would like to thank the regular posters that are the voice of reason and common sense and consistently push back against those who believe in this absolute rubbish. Your explanations and links have been invaluable in helping to support me when having discussions about this - I was getting so frustrated when faced with some people who continue with the "Be Kind" approach that it was difficult to find the words for a coherent argument. I knew what I wanted to say but it wasn't coming across as I wished. Thank you!

Thanks also to BezMills - your alternative translations are brightening up my afternoon and, although I have a Midlands accent in my head it sounds like I have a lovely Scottish accent.

GreenFriedTomato · 17/07/2025 15:14

Hahahaaaa

ickky · 17/07/2025 15:14

WOOHOO

NotAGentleReminder · 17/07/2025 15:14

From TT:
"GM [disagrees]
NC It was to stop her expressing her G C /sex realist beliefs
GM I don't agree
NC email Lottie Miles to you, 7 March. SP referred to Beth as he/man/male - appeared not a mistake but conscious misgendering. ED and I want to prevent SP using he/man etc"

In writing that the investigation lead and director of nursing want to stop Sandie saying 'he' about a man. So planning re-education session on 'conscious misgendering'.

GreenFriedTomato · 17/07/2025 15:14

Snap!!

Boiledbeetle · 17/07/2025 15:15

Pete has arrived 😍

NotAGentleReminder · 17/07/2025 15:16

From TT:
NC By his presence in the cr etc
GM It was started by the dati x report
NC Re acceptable behaviour by male hospital employee who doesn't id as a woman. May be a long preamble
J They can be difficult.
NC My hypothetical person is Peter. DU would call him a cis man.

Pete the plumber!

ThatDaringMintCritic · 17/07/2025 15:17

Lissa Evans on x "I think that possibly I was one of the few people in the UK not to be copied into this email exchange."
😂

ThatsALeafJean · 17/07/2025 15:17

Waitwhat23 · 17/07/2025 14:56

I do wonder how many Scots are on here and where we're all from. It would be interesting (but I suspect unwieldy) to find out.

from Fife, still live here & work for NHS Fife!

RobinEllacotStrike · 17/07/2025 15:18

oooh Peter says he's a women.
This is utterly delicious!

Harassedevictee · 17/07/2025 15:18

🎯

Boiledbeetle · 17/07/2025 15:18

Nc done quick break

BeLemonNow · 17/07/2025 15:19

Arran2024 · 17/07/2025 15:01

I find the management bods in NHS Fife to be utterly detached from the medical staff and day to day stuff. Why wouldn't Isla Bumba have visited the changing room? Why doesn't GM, head of nursing, know one of the senior nurses?

When i worked in a big bank, our director, who was in charge of thousands of staff, met with everyone, even the most junior staff, on a rolling basis. When I first started, the chief executive used to go round every head office dep at Xmas and shake everyone's hand - he visited all the various locations to do this.

Yet here we have GM sitting in some office, not knowing who Sandy Peggie is. I find that disgraceful.

Maybe not IB visiting the changing rooms, but I agree it's shocking Baloney hasn't ever met Sandie seemingly because Sandie works nights, and cannot be bothered to visit then ever.

Normal management practice is to i.e. invite all her nurses say once a year for an informal cup of tea and biscuits. I don't know how many there are but can't be that many especially in prior role of head of ED nursing.

How can she be responsible for their wellbeing without bothering to meet with them?

Mind you am starting to understand why Sandie prefers working nights with her senior management!

MarieDeGournay · 17/07/2025 15:19

ThatsALeafJean · 17/07/2025 15:17

from Fife, still live here & work for NHS Fife!

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I think the standard response is 'Thoughts and prayers'

CriticalCondition · 17/07/2025 15:19

BOOM.

ickky · 17/07/2025 15:19

NC used Pete as a mic drop.

😂

Datun · 17/07/2025 15:19

Hoardasurass · 17/07/2025 14:56

Oh dear Isla's testimony yesterday has been used as an excuse to start asking questions about all her dei colleagues 🌞

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-government-created-army-diversity-35572077?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Olympian Sharron Davies said: "Isla Bumba (on the left) doesn't know if she's a woman (on oath at testimony today) but is sure Dr Upton on the right is! Oh my goodness we're in so much trouble with people like this in EDI positions all over the UK!"

Yep

NebulousCatWhistler · 17/07/2025 15:20

Incomer to Edinburgh here. Loving the Fifer summaries!

SternJoyousBee · 17/07/2025 15:21

MarieDeGournay · 17/07/2025 15:09

NC Various exchanges, all the ppl copied in. DU sends statement cc to all ppl asking if needs changes to statement. Exchanges inc person i/x ing and the complainant - confidentiality and integrity hopelessly compromised.
GM [agrees shouldn't have been done in this way

Expert dismantling continues..

And Upton was so confident that he had the support of all the people cc’d in to that email that he asks about any changes required to his statement!

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nauticant · 17/07/2025 15:21

Just a fantastic line of questioning:

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1945850664292073766

Men are men. We know this because it's material reality and the Supreme Court says so.

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