NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #15

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although once it was in to the second week it was looking like this would not happen. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently, as a result of a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13
Thread 14: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272939-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-14

Please note this:

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently, as a result of a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

I'll include a message from FayeRC:

To those who don't know me, I have filed a similar employment tribunal complaint against a large public sector employer in England's side, also represented by Naomi Cunningham. Second preliminary hearing will be in February. More info available on CrowdJustice.com, pls search for Faye Russell-Caldicott.

The last weekend before the prel hearing is now approaching, all support would be hugely appreciated.

If you've got a Twitter account and want a "clean" timeline of the tweeting by Tribunal Tweets, use this link:

https://x.com/search?q=from%3Atribunaltweets&src=typed_query&f=live

One handy thing about it is that if you scroll to the top of the tweets shown, the timeline automatically refreshes.

For anyone following Tribunal Tweets, this is their list of the abbreviations used:

C/SP - Claimant, Sandy Peggie
NC - Naomi Cunningham, C’s barrister
MG - Margaret Gribbons, C’s solicitor
R1/Board - first respondent, Fife Health Board
R2/DU - second respondent, Dr B Upton
JR - Jane Russell, KC, barrister for Rs
AW - Adam Watson, solicitor for Rs
J - Employment Judge Alexander Kemp
ET - Employment Tribunal
P1, P2 - additional panel members
CR - changing room
AE - Accident & emergency department
B&H - bullying and harassment
SocMed - social media
SM - Sex Matters
HR - Human Rights
TW - Transwoman
HI - hate incident
PCP - provision, criteria or practice is a rule/policy/ practice that can put ppl at a disadvantage based on certain characteristics. The term is used in employment law to assess whether an employers actions create different outcomes for employees based on their characteristics.
KS - Kate Searle, DU's supervisor and A&E consultant
ED - Esther Davidson, SP’s line manager
SF - Stuart Fraser, SP’s RCN Rep
AG - Angela Glancy, headed up SP's investigation
IX - investigation
CX or FC - (formal) complaint
DX - disciplinary
FtP - fitness to practice

Thank you for this nauticant

NAUT-I-CANT! NAUT-I-CANT!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

Sterling work @nauticant

JR: Can we release witness?

J: Thought I had

[DU leaves witness box]

JR: NC and I have discussed. We would like to call ED. There is likely to be further documents released overnight, we accept may mention ED and we may need to call her back another time.

JR: Then VV and IB on Friday.

JR: And re timing, we are looking at July - J July?!

JR: Before all are free. We think 5 days needed, 2 for subs and 3 for evidence.

Thank you @nauticant ! And to @ickky for c/p all the tribunal tweets here.

Total is flying up.

So there are more missing documents. Fuck me, what a shit show.

July before it will be heard!

Bloody hell we will be lucky to have judgment before Christmas!

The process is the punishment right enough

Well done and thanks @nauticant !

Re. Judge being biased, he's not, he's doing his job.

He is going to treat the Respondent who is a lay person differently from KC who is legally qualified! That is just to be expected.

Employment Tribunals are not supposed to be unduly onerous on the lay parties.

J: I hate part hearings and will double-hate if we have to go part-heard again. Are you sure 5 days is enough? Would much rather allocate too much than too little time. I think fix 7 days. Even if too many.

NC: Do tribunal have July days to let us know about?

J: Not yet

JR: July is Scotland school holiday months.

J: It is. We shall finalised dates tomorrow. July is unfortunate, but if we have to we have to.

Also massive thanks to @ickky

JR: Then VV and IB on Friday.

Who is IB? Anyone know?

Thank you for new thread Naiticant!
July??!!!
I might have to take Friday off work to watch NC question VV. I have a feeling it will unravel the many confusions I have about trans identity.

Judge is taking no chances and allocates 7 days 😂

JR: And re timing, we are looking at July - J July?!

If that's about resumption after adjournment, that doesn't surprise me at all. What we can do though is write to the ET and point out that they will therefore have months to sort out their "technical issues" to re-enable public remote access for resumption.

Sorry, ickky, I should of course have included
ICK-KY! ICK-KY!

I have to say @nauticant you've done an absolute sterling job of maintaining control of fifteen bloody threads.

Fifteen!

Keeping it cohesive and shouldering the burden of being attentive is a remarkable job.

Thank you

Hopefully if they're done with DU it should fly by

He accidently called DU the victim yesterday!

SP's been suspended up till now, but you might think enough has been heard to make any sensible person see that is unfounded, and in any case Upton no longer works in A&E - or does he work both there and psychiatry, I'm confused? Can SP go back to work now I wonder?

Is SP still suspended, and if so, will she remain so until the judgment (in about a year's time)?