NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board - thread #2

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks.

First thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

It's being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr

Thanks, Nauticant.

Thanks nauticant

Murky buckets nauticant.

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Women should not have to stand up in court and describe their heavy periods to the world in order to justify single sex changing rooms in the workplace. This is genuinely disgraceful.

Thank you for the new thread

From Tribunal Tweets:
https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1886699358982213792?s=19
Abbreviations
C/SP - Claimant, Sandy Peggie
NC - Naomi Cunningham, C’s barrister
MG - Margaret Gribbons, C’s solicitor
R/Board - first respondent, Fife Health Board
R2/DU - second respondent, Dr B Upton
JR - Jane Russel, barrister for respondents
AW - Adam Watson, solicitor for respondents
J - Employment Judge Alexander Kemp
ET - Employment Tribunal
P1, P2 - additional panel members
CR - changing room
AE - Accident & emergency department
PCP – provision, criteria or practice is a rule, policy, or practice that can put people at a disadvantage based on certain characteristics. Used in employment law to assess whether an employer's actions create different outcomes for employees based on their characteristics.
GC or SR: belief that biological sex is important,
immutable and different from gender identity
TWAW - transwomen are women (refers to male persons who claim a female gender identity)
TMAM - transmen are men (refers to female persons who claim a male gender identity)
CX - complaint
DX - disciplinary procedure or process
IX - investigation
Panel members sitting with EJ,
P1 - CM Russell
P2 - L Brown.

How is she responsible for her husband?

DrU has shown by his actions that he doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone's dignity or basic courtesy apart from his own

Thanks. Place marking

Thanks for the new thread nauticant.

Does her husband lose his freedom of speech because of his wife working with BU as well? This man has rare reach and power

Exactly. Provision of single sex spaces is not contingent on heavy periods or previous sexual assault.

Honestly, no, I don't think most people would be offended by the discussion her husband had.

Outside a small woke circle, most people would agree.

If a patient objected to Upton as a doctor, I wonder if he would start keeping notes on her on his phone too?

only following here. What did her husband say?

He asked whether dating a transwoman was gay and commented about them having a dick.

Tweets for this part of the morning.

twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1886740963789266953?s=19

He said something about TW having dicks which according to JR is "deeply offensive"

Wow, she has the power to control what so many people write.

He said something about TW having dicks.
Isn't that a fact in most cases? Which is what this tribunal is about. But why is her husband's opinion relevant? Oh to prove she's a 'transphobe' I suppose.

Thanks for the coverage all, have been catching up on tribunal tweets this morning. Genuinely shocked at some of the exchanges.

The exchange where JR asked if Peggie understands it’s offensive to call a TW a man and Peggie replies ‘it’s the truth’ was powerful though, well done that woman!

SP I had no problem with Beth's transgender status, the only problem I had was with Beth being in the women's changing room

NC asking what is the relevance of the current line of questions

thanks for all the updates.