NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #5

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

@nauticant Ta muchly

Thank you

Thank you for this. I've complained to the BBC about that article being heavily loaded with Beth Upton's complaints and marginalising Sandie Peggie, not making clear that Peggie didn't mention Isla Bryson's name or talk about rapists, not making clear that Peggie felt intimidated and embarrassed by a male-bodied person's presence in the changing rooms as she was dealing with a heavy period, and the article including a picture of Peggie but not one of Upton.
Also that, while there are two further articles on the case with more detail on Peggie's 'side' of things in a 'more on this story' section below the main one, this seems to be a deliberate choice and readers aren't necessarily going to read those as well as the one that was chosen as the main, large story.

I complained on the basis of inaccuracy, as the detail of Peggie having a heavy period is freely available in the transcripts, as is her statement that she did not mention the name Isla Bryson, or the details of his crime.

Of course I expect the usual waffle back, but I feel it's important to keep complaining.
 

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When complaining to the BBC, I'm always a big fan of referring to the Royal Charter which is the constitutional basis for the BBC:

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/about/how_we_govern/2016/charter.pdf

6. The Public Purposes
The Public Purposes of the BBC are as follows.
(1) To provide impartial news and information to help people understand and engage with the world around them: the BBC should provide duly accurate and impartial news, current affairs and factual programming to build people’s understanding of all parts of the United Kingdom and of the wider world. Its content should be provided to the highest editorial standards. It should offer a range and depth of analysis and content not widely available from other United Kingdom news providers, using the highest calibre presenters and journalists, and championing freedom of expression, so that all audiences can engage fully with major local, regional, national, United Kingdom and global issues and participate in the democratic process, at all levels, as active and informed citizens.

Thank you

I wonder how many threads we will get to?

3 days got us 4. 10 days, maybe 12, maybe 13?

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Thanks nauticant and everyone commenting.

I seem to remember for Allison Bailey we were up to the high teens maybe 18?

Just placemarking, thanks for the threads & updates all.

YY @Chrysanthemum5

So am I getting this right?

Just a couple of years ago Dr Upton was happily playing rugby on a men's team. Voluntarily showering with other men, sharing changing rooms with other men, enjoying all the bawdy humour that goes with being in a men's rugby team. All while holding down a demanding job.

But then Dr Upton transitioned. And then discovering that a woman didn't want to get undressed in front of him made Upton very upset. And when that woman did it a second time it made Upton feel so fragile that Upton needed two months off sick.

Tell me again how transitioning really improves people's mental health.

Can anyone give or point me to a TLDR version of what's happened in court?

I can't keep up during the day and the threads are mostly commentary which is very hard to follow... I'm also finding the live tweets very hard to follow this time for some reason.

Sorry but I have a migraine and can't do it all today but want to know!

Mind you @Ereshkigalangcleg that case had lots of chat about how lovely Ben cooper is. And we had the double joy of JR and the esteemed barrister RMB.

How will this one compete?

@Chrysanthemum5 I just checked, it was 19 threads.

Helen Joyce thread on X. Yes, Dolores Umbridge. That's it precisely.

"Yes, your taxes are being wasted because an NHS trust refused to accept that men commit more violent & sexual crimes than women do, which means allowing trans people to use opposite-sex spaces is harder on women than on men. It hired an expensive KC to argue this was false

Said KC invited a female nurse - with an unblemished record of 30 years - to accept that by politely telling a man in his 20s with several inches in height on her that he didn't belong in the female changing-rooms at her hospital, she had made him feel unsafe and scared 2/4

Today we have listened as that KC guided this man through a tragic tale of his distress at being told - politely, only after repeated provocation - that he is indeed a man, and that he makes women feel uncomfortable and unsafe when he comes into their spaces. 3/4

As I listened, I finally realised who it was the KC reminded me of so forcefully: Dolores Umbridge. In both her manner and what she says. 4/4"

@PaintDecisions

Here is a link to the Tribunal Tweets substack, they have links to all the days sessions so far.
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr

Adding the link to the donation page for Sandie's father. His funeral was less than two weeks ago, bless them all. The amount raised has more than doubled since the vipers started donating!

https://alexander-herschell-bell.muchloved.com/

Thanks, but it's really hard for me to follow it for some reason. Brain not working on that scale of acronyms, shortening of the speech and letters for names 😭

Just catching up as I couldn’t watch this afternoon.

This feels so set up, keeping notes from Day 1, I wonder if DU has notes on all of their colleagues? SP said she and another nurse waited outside the CR on the second incident.

Thank you.

Thanks for the new thread. Even my DH is following avidly now.
Please can someone tell me

• at what point SP was told to deal with DU herself directly?
• by whom ?
• will that person contribute to process at all (or are they the ones who have moved to new job)?