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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #22

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nauticant · 22/02/2025 14:11

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It is planned that it will resume on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently caused by a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2025 14:16

Placemarking! Can't believe we are up to 22 and tribunal still ongoing!

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nauticant · 22/02/2025 14:16

Witnesses so far:

Monday, 3 February 2025
Sandie Peggie

Tuesday, 4 February 2025
Sandie Peggie

Wedneday, 5 February 2025
Sandie Peggie
Maya Forstater
Mr Peggie
Nicole Peggie

Thursday, 6 February 2025
a row about disclosure particularly over BMA documents
Sheila Bell (Sandie Peggie's mum)

Friday, 7 February 2025
very late start, massive row over disclosure, agreed that Beth Upton would start giving evidence on Monday

Monday 10 February 2025
Beth Upton

Tuesday 11 February 2025
Beth Upton
collapse of public access

Wednesday 12 February 2025
Beth Upton

Thursday 13 February 2025
Esther Davidson

Friday 14 February 2025
Esther Davidson

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nauticant · 22/02/2025 14:17

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2025 14:16

Placemarking! Can't believe we are up to 22 and tribunal still ongoing!

Let's just say that when I started I didn't think my life's work was going to be creating a MN megathread that would never end.

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Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 22/02/2025 14:20

Thank you!

This show is going to run and run.

334bu · 22/02/2025 14:20

Thank you for all your hard work.

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nauticant · 22/02/2025 14:20

For anyone following Tribunal Tweets, this is their list of the abbreviations used:
C/SP - Claimant, Sandy Peggie
NC - Naomi Cunningham, C’s barrister
MG - Margaret Gribbons, C’s solicitor
R1/Board - first respondent, Fife Health Board
R2/DU - second respondent, Dr B Upton
JR - Jane Russell, KC, barrister for Rs
AW - Adam Watson, solicitor for Rs
J - Employment Judge Alexander Kemp
ET - Employment Tribunal
P1, P2 - additional panel members
CR - changing room
AE - Accident & emergency department
B&H - bullying and harassment
SocMed - social media
SM - Sex Matters
HR - Human Rights
TW - Transwoman
HI - hate incident
PCP - provision, criteria or practice is a rule/policy/ practice that can put ppl at a disadvantage based on certain characteristics. The term is used in employment law to assess whether an employers actions create different outcomes for employees based on their characteristics.
KS - Kate Searle, DU's supervisor and A&E consultant
ED - Esther Davidson, SP’s line manager
SF - Stuart Fraser, SP’s RCN Rep
AG - Angela Glancy, headed up SP's investigation
IX - investigation
CX or FC - (formal) complaint
DX - disciplinary
FtP - fitness to practice

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Szygy · 22/02/2025 14:28

Thank you for your excellent thread shepherding, @nauticant

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nauticant · 22/02/2025 14:28

As ever, a request:

We've seen what a nightmare this has been for Sandie, and what a gruelling and uncertain experience it is to go through an Employment Tribunal. It would be even harder going through it and worrying about how to fund it.

Other women are going through similar experiences and need our support, so at least they're able to focus on the important parts and not worry all the time about funding. One woman going through this is Sarah Holman who is crowdfunding under Harassed and Victimised for supporting Women’s Rights. It's possible she's unaware of the support offered by Mumsnet and it would be great if she could receive some.

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DontTellMeWhat2Do · 22/02/2025 14:40

placemarking

Britinme · 22/02/2025 14:40

Placemarking.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/02/2025 14:51

Let's just say that when I started I didn't think my life's work was going to be creating a MN megathread that would never end.

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nauticant · 22/02/2025 14:57

nauticant · 22/02/2025 14:28

As ever, a request:

I should have mentioned that Sarah is on her as @sartaybut doesn't post much.

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mrshoho · 22/02/2025 14:58

Thanks @nauticant for these excellent threads. I wouldn't like to guess what number the final thread will get to before this is all over! In the absence of Tunnocks treats may I offer some tasty choc chip banana bread to you all. Made some today to cheer myself up.

Datun · 22/02/2025 15:17

nauticant · 22/02/2025 14:17

Let's just say that when I started I didn't think my life's work was going to be creating a MN megathread that would never end.

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I bet.

you've done a spectacular job, thank you

WearyAuldWumman · 22/02/2025 15:18

Surely the intervention of the EHRC means that it's game over for NHS Fife?

Igmum · 22/02/2025 15:27

Certainly hope so @WearyAuldWumman. If it isn't we may need to devise ways to pass these threads on to our granddaughters (thread #9786145600294)

rebmacesrevda · 22/02/2025 15:28

WearyAuldWumman · 22/02/2025 15:18

Surely the intervention of the EHRC means that it's game over for NHS Fife?

I like to think it was game over the moment Upton opened his smug gob in court

WearyAuldWumman · 22/02/2025 15:41

Local FB page. Not sure whether the link will work: Fire at the Vic.

One of the comments: "Just HR destroying the Sandie Peggie case notes!"

www.facebook.com/reel/523686947502431

guinnessguzzler · 22/02/2025 15:47

Hello wims! Why are you all here on a Saturday and not cleaning your kitchens and making yourselves look pretty? Is it because you're not as good at wimming as the expats experts?!

Thanks for the new thread. Anyone want to guess what number we'll be on by the time the tribunal resumes? I say, assuming NHS Fife manage not to do anything else ridiculous before then 😂, 25.

Conxis · 22/02/2025 15:56

WearyAuldWumman · 22/02/2025 15:41

Local FB page. Not sure whether the link will work: Fire at the Vic.

One of the comments: "Just HR destroying the Sandie Peggie case notes!"

www.facebook.com/reel/523686947502431

OMG that's hilarious!

Sartay · 22/02/2025 16:19

nauticant · 22/02/2025 14:28

As ever, a request:

hello! Sarah Holman here.
I do pop in and check out threads, sometime though it becomes overwhelming and I take a break from social media.
I will post more once I have a date from court for a preliminary hearing.

Thank you for your support ❤️

INeedAPensieve · 22/02/2025 16:44

Thanks nauticant! Thread 22 this is mad.

Anyone got any mind bleach handy? I accidentally clicked on the peeing trans story in the last thread. Ugh. 😖

Also I have been busy making banana bread with butter icing so having a large slice to watch the rugby and also this thread.

BiologicallyNebulous · 22/02/2025 17:10

Popping onto new thread - thanks @nauticant

DeanElderberry · 22/02/2025 17:14

Thanks Nauticant.

I'm glad to see the last thread ended on a very proper acknowledgement of the superiority of Barry's Gold Blend Tea.

Turn the moment gold.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 22/02/2025 17:15

I admit that I've never heard of Barry's Gold Blend Tea. Is that bad?

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