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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse

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Hoardasurass · 13/10/2024 09:36

So as has been mentioned on threads about the Darlington nurses a nurse is sueing NHS Fife over its trans staff policy.
The poor nurse was forced to get changed infront of a man in the female changing facilities, when she complained about it she was 1st told to change in a cupboard if she didn't like it, then they tried to bully her into swapping shifts so she didn't work with the man in question (she wouldn't), then they wanted her to move hospital (again she refused) so then they suspended her without pay for months until her solicitor got involved and now they are trying to gag her by insisting that the court case (starts in February) must be held in secret (I wonder why) and will be in crt next month asking to restrict reporting on the case.

This case is really important in Scotland because the trans staff policy that's going on trial in this case is the Scottish government's own policy used in all public sector organisations in Scotland and works on self id. So when this case is won it will finally kill the Scottish government's self id policy in all public bodies

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

NHS Fife fights for secret hearings in trans woman in female changing room case

NHS Fife is facing landmark legal action by a nurse suspended after complaining about a transwoman in a female changing room.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 09:49

As I posted on the other thread where this was posted as an update, Naomi Cunningham is counsel for the nurse, up against Jane Russell, who was acting for the respondents against both Maya Forstater and Allison Bailey.

So potential to be very significant and newsworthy indeed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 09:50

Two top London barristers have been drafted to represent both sides in the case.
Naomi Cunningham, who represented caseworker Roz Adams when she won a tribunal against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centretre*, is acting for the nurse.
Jane Russell, a high-profile employment tribunal specialist, is acting for Fife Health Boardard* and the co-respondent who is the transwoman.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/10/2024 10:20

Hmm wonder why they want it to be heard in secret? 🤔 What could they possibly have to hide?

CautiousLurker · 13/10/2024 10:56

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/10/2024 10:20

Hmm wonder why they want it to be heard in secret? 🤔 What could they possibly have to hide?

Can’t believe it is in the public interest to hold this in private? The opposite, I’d have thought - Esp given the other case won’t be and would have the same grounds?

donationsMakeMeFeelBetter · 13/10/2024 11:05

Is there anything we can do? If there's a crowdfunder I haven't seen it.

duc748 · 13/10/2024 11:05

Presumably the unions as much use as a chocolate fireguard in this case?

TheBrickHare · 13/10/2024 12:13

It’s disgusting that the Scottish government is still trying to remove the rights of women (as defined in the Equalities Act) in secret. Is there any way to help?

EmmyPankhurst · 13/10/2024 12:17

Is there gardening to do? I'd donate if needed.

We need a decision in one of these cases as it will (hopefully) clear this matter up once and for all.

Ladyof2024 · 13/10/2024 12:44

Here is the article for anyone who wants to copy-paste it into emails, Facebook etc.

IN THE DAILY RECORD TODAY.
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A health board facing landmark legal action by a nurse suspended after complaining about a transwoman in a female changing room is fighting to have proceedings held in secret.

NHS Fife are spending public money to stop the ten-day hearing - which could cost around £200,000 - from becoming public.

The nurse, who has worked for the NHS for 30 years, took the case to an employment tribunal after she was disciplined.

She claimed the co-worker started to undress in front of her when they were alone in the room on Christmas Eve last year.

She was suspended and accused of bullying by the trans colleague who is biologically male but who identifies as a woman.

Lawyers for NHS Fife have now made an application to tribunal judges for a Rule 50 Order to protect the anonymity of all involved and restrict reporting ahead of the Edinburgh tribunal in February.

But the Sunday Mail understands the nurse wants the details of the case to be heard in public.

She is claiming health bosses suggested she should get changed in a cupboard if she was uncomfortable and then later tried to get her to switch her hours and move her to a different place of work within NHS Fife.

In the first case of its kind in Scotland, the nurse will claim that her employers are breaching the Equality Act which protects female-only spaces.

A source said: “At one point, it was suggested that if she was unhappy she could go and change in a nearby cupboard.

“But on Christmas Eve during her shift she was forced to have to change her clothes after they became soiled and went to the changing room. She found herself alone with the same co-worker present and told him she was very uncomfortable.

“She was upset and turned her back on him but he claimed he had as much right to be in there as she did.

“The nurse then made reference to the recent case of Isla Bryson, the male rapist who had been in the news when he was initially sent to a women’s prison, in an attempt to explain why women were anxious about males in female spaces.”

Bryson’s case, which caused public and political uproar, came after the Gender Recognition Reform Bill was passed in Holyrood in December 2022.

The bill allowed anyone to obtain a gender recognition certificate by signing a declaration, making it easier for people to change gender.

A hearing to decide if the nurse’s employment tribunal will be heard in private is due to take place next month.

Two top London barristers have been drafted to represent both sides in the case.

Naomi Cunningham, who represented caseworker Roz Adams when she won a tribunal against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, is acting for the nurse.

Jane Russell, a high-profile employment tribunal specialist, is acting for Fife Health Board and the co-respondent who is the transwoman.

The nurse’s suspension was lifted in April following intervention by her solicitor amid the disciplinary process against her.

Solicitor Margaret Gribbon of Bridge Employment Solicitors in Glasgow, who represents the nurse, said: “My client’s case involves legal challenges under the Equality Act 2010 and the Human Rights Act 1998 to Fife Health Board’s policies contending that they fail to provide suitable single sex changing facilities and toilets to staff.

“Many other Health Boards and public sector organisations in Scotland operate similar policies and so the outcome of this case is likely to affect tens of thousands of women.

“The case is therefore of huge public interest and the Board’s attempts for my client’s hearing to be heard in private will be opposed.”

Campaign group For Women Scotland said: “Many women work in the NHS, and hospital rules require them to change at the start and end of the shift on the premises. One man granted access to a female changing room will, therefore, impact the lives of many women.”

NHS Fife said: “NHS Fife has a duty of care to all our staff and is committed to ensuring a safe and inclusive working environment for all.

“Due to the on-going legal process, it would be inappropriate for NHS Fife to comment further.”

The RCN nursing union said they did not comment on individual cases.

NitroNine · 13/10/2024 12:50

Funny, isn’t it, how that “duty of care to all” involves trampling over women’s rights in favour of males with a notion in their heads. Only the one group is being minded in all this; & the new boss is the same as the old boss - just in a different outfit & all the spaces we’d previously have away from him.

duc748 · 13/10/2024 12:53

And that that applies even (especially?) in workplaces where the staff are majority female (like the NHS).

Skyellaskerry · 13/10/2024 12:57

So, apart from the other concerns about this, I would love to know how the fuck spending public money keeping this private is at all justified. I thought we had a cash strapped NHS? It’s disgusting.

Motnight · 13/10/2024 13:00

EmmyPankhurst · 13/10/2024 12:17

Is there gardening to do? I'd donate if needed.

We need a decision in one of these cases as it will (hopefully) clear this matter up once and for all.

Me too.

Bannedontherun · 13/10/2024 17:09

Asking for a friend , is JKR funding this case?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 17:33

That crossed my mind as a possibility too. Like Roz Adams there doesn't seem to be a crowdfund. Pure speculation though!

RethinkingLife · 13/10/2024 19:41

Bannedontherun · 13/10/2024 17:09

Asking for a friend , is JKR funding this case?

NHS Scotland and/or NHS Fife would seem to be funding their part from (essentially) public funds.

Jane Russell, a high-profile employment tribunal specialist, is acting for Fife Health Board and the co-respondent who is the transwoman.

It's interesting that the TW is identified as a co-respondent. Is the action against the TW as well as Fife because that isn't clear to me? And I'm not sure why the TW would be a co-respondent rather than NHS Fife alone on the basis that it's NHS Fife's policy. I could understand NHS Fife calling the TW as a witness but I could see a case for not doing that and making it entirely about their policy.

What's the colleague going to say? "I'd been told by my employer that it was my right to use the changing room of my choice, unchallenged. A colleague challenged me and I object to that as she'd been reminded about the rights conferred on me by my employer's policy after a previous incident. I reported her for re-education and NHS Fife treated my complaint with the full gravity of sanctions available to them."

There were co-respondents in Forstater and Bailey but in Forstater, they were senior principals at CGD, iirc.

Does anyone know if the TW is an actual co-respondent or is this loose wording?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/10/2024 19:59

I think sometimes a member of staff who has been involved in discrimination or harassment is named in the action as well.

Hoardasurass · 13/10/2024 20:22

@RethinkingLife yes the TW is a named defendant in the case. It is alleged that the TW made a malicious targeted complaint against the nurse who's sueing due to her gc beliefs (or so I was told 3rd hand)

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IwantToRetire · 14/10/2024 18:30

The Times has picked up on this.

Health board managers want to curb reporting on a landmark case brought by a nurse who was suspended after she complained about a trans woman in a female changing room.

NHS Fife is seeking a special order to keep secret the names of those involved in a forthcoming employment tribunal.

At a special hearing in November, its lawyers will argue for a Rule 50 order guaranteeing anonymity for the nurse and the trans woman.

The nurse is understood to want her <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/q9K8h/www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/nhs-worker-nhs-fife-tribunal-trans-rights-nhnk9qjdv" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tribunal, scheduled for February, to be held in public.

She brought her case against the NHS after she was suspended for complaining about the transwoman getting undressed next to her.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/nhs-managers-seek-gagging-order-in-trans-woman-case-730df7sx6
Can be read in full at NHS wants secret hearing in trans woman changing room case (archive.ph)

NHS wants secret hearing in trans woman changing room case

Lawyers will argue for anonymity for female nurse and transgender colleague during tribunal centred on women-only changing room in hospital

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/nhs-managers-seek-gagging-order-in-trans-woman-case-730df7sx6

Gettingmadderallthetime · 07/01/2025 23:47

Think that this is the archive link. https://archive.is/JciHk
Wonder whether the TW being a doctor also factors in.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/01/2025 23:52

Glad to hear that it's going to be open and transparent. Good luck to Sandie Peggie Flowers

2025Y · 08/01/2025 00:04

Great news, well I' assuming from the headline it is!

Is she gardening?

Hoardasurass · 08/01/2025 00:07

Great that's the only a&e in fife and he's a dr.
Also not good that the tribunal can't tell he's a man, but think some patient can 🤨

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Datun · 08/01/2025 00:15

The nurse thinks the transwoman is easy to identify as male, the judge doesn't.

Are we seeing an example, once again, of men being unable to tell, because of long hair and lipstick?

The point is, enough people knew the doctor was male, how else would the nurse know she was sharing a room with a man?

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