From TT
NC More text added by Lottie Miles J Doyle seems to have sent pre-pop form and she has added in background details
GM Have to ask LM but not what I would expect
NC Would seem risk assessment been made after decision made re suspension
GM? re sss cr. part of your job to look after nurses welfare
GM y
NC So if you thought that it was an affront to dignity etc of your nurses to let a t man use the cr it would up to you to speak up about that?
GM yes
NC LM email to you re mtg with SP 7 March. LM records SP asks why DU couldn't be moved/ asked to change elsewhere. That would have been solution to problem.
GM SP was suspended cos of all the things in the dat ix, not just that
NC SP's sol said SP needed ss space to change in. Why wouldn't is be solution to problem to give Beth single occupancy room for him to change in
This anvil seems smaller, but heavier. As if it's not smaller, just far away. It seems to hover for a second like in Road Runner, then BANG it's on the floor.
The next anvil hasn't arrived yet. GM's eyes shift around. Is it over?
GM Dept took advice from DEI lead and so it wasn't what we could do.
NC Would your view be this is a pragmatic solution
GM We took advice
NC But the practicalities - refusing to stop allowing DU to use cr means SP at work couldn't avoid possibility - she couldn't be sure would not meet men in there
JR asked q many times
J (Big Sond) not really answered
Fifer : The big man is no havin it. HE'S just dropped the next anvil. It was in his piece box the whole time.
NC SP couldn't be sure wouldn't meet a man in f cr
JR Not c men using f cr, but tw
GM We took advice, Beth, t member of staff could use facility
NC No reliably ss (biological) space for SP and colleague to change in
GM If we are talking about biological sex, then yes NC SS spaces for staff provision is conduct related to sex. That is obvious.
JR [objects]
J reasonable q to ask
Fifer Big Sond getting his size thirteens out and stamping his fit.
NC This is to do with sex
GM Guidance re t member staff was to allow to use f cr so not re sex
NC Women who are G C / sex realists
JR May need to understand what GI theory is
NC That gender matters more than sex, depends not on what body is like but how envisage themselves in their head. This lay behind IB's guidance.
JR Not IB approach in her evidence. She relied on the code of practice.
Fifer : ca'in whatever thon lassie was saying yisterday "evidence" well, aye, mibbe. but naw, really. naw. mon noo.
NC Try again. Women who believe bio sex is real and sometimes matters, my see t id men as men, not woman. They still see a man if that's what they think.
GM yes
NC So if you provide ss bio spaces for staff, it's to do with SP G C belief - that sex matters
GM don't understand q
NC I'll leave it there.
NC It was obvious re suspension/ d/x process that SP was unhappy. That she felt f cr being used by man intimidating and humiliating.
GM Yes, on Xmas eve
NC ED doesn't doubt genuineness of SP feelings