NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #26

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It is planned that it will resume on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access. However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently caused by a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was doubtful whether pubilc access for remote viewing would be reinstated but recent developments (as of mid May) suggest that this might actually become available again.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13
Thread 14: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272939-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-14
Thread 15: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273119-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-15
Thread 16: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273636-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-16
Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273827-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-17
Thread 18: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274332-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-18
Thread 19: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274571-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-19
Thread 20: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5275782-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-20
Thread 21: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5276925-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-21
Thread 22: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5280174-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-22
Thread 23: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5285690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-23
Thread 24: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5301295-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-24
Thread 25: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5318518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-25

I suspect it's highly significant that the youngest group includes teens (a demographic that in previous generations would have been the fainters, the cutters, the anorexics, or suffering 'green disease'). And that the category includes non-binary (low stakes, rather undefined, could cover almost anyone who feels they 'don't fit in' and are looking for reasons why).

Am I too late

‘Disappointment’ letter to the Royal College of Nursing emerges:
https://www.scotsman.com/health/nurse-sandie-peggie-disappointment-letter-emerges-over-nhs-fife-case-involving-transgender-doctor-beth-upton-5140713?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKbGfxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHtl_pZluiLXsNXwUfcKK7yLUPDBwxHB0lF_4vLBA31_3_p3mmdnTqwQaDLpu_aem_djVfic9XLQq1l580Kwn_lQ#70r1oni059v50sdoofq2occcjkibd7bb

There's a new article about that in the Telegraph too

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/21/nurse-challenges-royal-college-of-nursing-trans-doctor/

For eome reason I was able to read it without archiving it, so I don't have an archive link.

<Sidling back in having been AWOL since the hearing>

How does everyone else manage to keep up? I am seriously impressed at the time and effort others are putting into this stuff.

Disgusting that Sandie's solicitor wrote to her union (of which she'd been a member for 30 years) asking for their support in April 2024 and never even received a reply.... So disappointed and shocked by the attitude of the unions to all this. 😟

Sandie’s solicitor is excellent at getting everything out there into the public domain and under the spotlight.
Everyone needs a Margaret Gribbon in their corner.
I see she’s also mentioned there that Sandie is to face a disciplinary hearing next month. She’s not allowing Fife to do anything in private!

Not directly relevant but another indication of the way the wind is blowing...

Cross-sex hormones for under 18s could be restricted or banned - BBC News

‘Trans row nurse demands union clarifies position on single-sex spaces’

“Since February 2025, Sandie has been absent from work suffering from stress. The board has recently been advised that before Sandie can even consider returning to work, she needs assurances that no male colleagues, irrespective of their gender identity, will be permitted to use female-only workplace changing rooms. A response from the board is awaited.”

www.thetimes.com/article/02857d13-ce6d-4456-ad27-4c2411663888?shareToken=5e863896905d611103156bdf103e81fa

Unions have been captured by the trans cultural revolutionaries.

The unions have been shocking.

Reckon all the women who have been paying subs should demand a refund as they have so egregiously refused to support women.

Unions have always had a huge problem with misogyny.

No problem with women’s money, though.

I had to resign from ASTMS when they (that is people running the section for my profession who were members thereof) decided that people in our profession earned too much and should ask for a pay cut; which they fondly imagined would then make money available for low paid NHS workers. So batshittery and treachery in unions is not wholly new.

Edited for clarity

So it's official if you ask for a female chaperone you could get a man in a wig🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scandal-hit-nhs-fife-fail-35278606?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Good old NHS Fife failing abysmally to understand the fecking point of a woman wanting a chaperone 🙄

I want a same-sex chaperone, not a same-gender one. If I need one, obvs.

Not just Fife. They didn’t have a policy. Loads of other Trusts have a policy - which allows self ID of chaperones. Crazy

Forgive me if someone else has posted this but apparently Sandie is taking legal action against RCN for not supporting her.

Sandie and her backers are clearly going scorched earth.

I saw it on X but the link is to the daily fail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14744275/Nurse-embroiled-trans-doctor-tribunal-takes-legal-action-against-union.html

I just saw that on Twitter @Harassedevictee great news and I hope it is a wake up call for unions. I left my union as they were very clear they would not represent GC members and indeed actively campaigned against them - putting at least one woman in my workplace in physical danger.

In other news JKR has set up a legal fund to help women who have faced discrimination for their perfectly legal views. I couldn't love her more!

There is a thread about it if anyone wants to discuss it

JK Rowling - Women’s Fund www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5340841-jk-rowling-womens-fund

I think that confirms what most of us suspected about why Sandie didn’t have a crowdfunder.

JKR is epic.

Plus she has finished Strike No 8 The Hanged Man which is due out in September. Yay

I can't wait for the new Strike to come out. JK and Chimamamda's new releases are always such a treat I can't put them down!

Excellent news. I’ve not heard of Chimamder Brie, are they detective novels? Might look them up.

Yes I hope RCN get their comeuppance. Refusing to represent a member who has a hopeless case is one thing and I hope any sensible union would do that. Refusing to represent all members with a particular protected characteristic is quite another. Imagine the protests if unions refused to represent black or disabled members as a matter of principle solely because they were black or disabled? Or if they refused to represent all practising Muslims or Jews? But GC women? They can do what they want. (I really hope they put the reason for their refusal in writing.)

I think people stay the same and that for many identifying as queer is the equivalent of identifying as punk or finding community in club culture.

Society has changed, but people have the same impulses to rebel, to define an identity, to find coping mechanisms (in my day that was food disorders).