NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #20

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It is planned that it will resume on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently caused by a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
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Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13
Thread 14: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272939-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-14
Thread 15: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273119-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-15
Thread 16: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273636-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-16
Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273827-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-17
Thread 18: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274332-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-18
Thread 19: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5274571-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-19

Cheat! Cheat! You've played the game before!

https://x.com/MumsnetTowers/status/1891506614483448198?t=AlZp-r9yn055hWLD8jgFKg&s=19

Why ever would that be I wonder...

It's been posted several times on earlier threads and upthread here.

MN has commented on previous threads to say that they don't want to see speculation or comments (iirc) about Upton's family.

I agree - not fair to publish things about his family, they have enough problems as it is. And yes I know they've gone after Sandie's husband - but they go low, we go high.

I see that Swiney says that the law is crystal clear on single sex spaces, but that employers can choose to ignore it, if they wish. That's quite the oxymoron, isn't it?

By his standards, I (an occasional employer) can choose to ignore the Offences Against the Person Act and slap his fat jowls. Or the Road Traffic Act and run him over on the pavement.

He'd have no grounds to object, would he,

(Note to MNHQ - I am not being serious and would not do that, nor incite another to do so, I am merely pointing out the irony of him disregarding one law, but, doubtless, expecting everyone to abide by the law in general).

The behaviour has been so bananas that it should be renamed NHS Fyffes.

The Darlington nurses have set up their own union.

I hope lots of nurses join.

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/24628298.darlington-trans-nurses-set-new-union-amid-legal-action/

x.com/coccinellanovem/status/1891540591265128464?s=46

So eloquent. Succinct. To the point. 10/10.

A decent rival to Ariel v Pressdram, I'm sure we can all agree 🤓

Bloody auto correct. Arkell v Pressdram.

What other laws are employers at liberty to choose to ignore?

Health and Safety perhaps?

The law is clear that single sex space must be provided - but there are different ways employers can do that - so a small employer can have one changing room but it's male or female at different times.

FannyCann · Today 21:29

The Darlington nurses have set up their own union.

^x.com/coccinellanovem/status/1891540591265128464?s=46^

I've retweeted that, can everyone who is able do the same? Try to get it trending.

Apologies. I was just blown over by the connection between her work and what's happening to SP.

LIVE CHAT with Mr Menno now on Youtube on this subject

That's brilliant news!

Interesting that the Guardian hasn't reported much on this, except for the Sonia Sodha article, and the "letters"-page a PP mentioned upthread.

Many of the other newspapers put this as one of their headlines for the past week and before and published about it daily.

Another thought is about Scottish elections; if the ET concludes in July and the decision could take weeks or months, could it influence Nicola Sturgeon's re-election for example?

Also posting here the petition in support of Sandie which was started yesterday (I checked whether it was mentioned on this thread, if it was, I may have overlooked it)
https://www.change.org/p/support-nhs-nurse-sandie-peggie-threatened-with-dismissal?lang=en-GB&source_location=search

There is a work around through google.
In the search bar, add the website address and a colon, and then search terms, like this
"bbc.co.uk: fife NHS"
then the results show up.

Just catching up with today's thread.

HR are awaiting the law catching up with them? Is that a joke??

I have no idea who Mr Menno is, and don't know who the Barrister(?) is, but that is a brilliant video, and explains the issues so clearly.

Mr Menno is a lovely Dutch gay guy who's been in this fight for a long time and has made lots of videos about it. The barrister is Sarah Phillamore, a GC lawyer who has also been involved in this for a good few years, especially on the free speech angle. Both top people!😁

Interesting that the Guardian hasn't reported much on this, except for the Sonia Sodha article, and the "letters" page

The Sonia Sodha article was The Observer, wasn't it?

Nicola Sturgeon in particular, on the assumption she stands again as MSP?

That's a great interview with Mr. Menno and Sarah Phillimore. She is another excellent lawyer, I've long admired her. Thanks for posting it.

@fanOfBen I read in some papers that she was vetted to stand again, so I based my assumption on that.