Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 18

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case

Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Thread 17 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)
Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's

Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Supplementary Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf

Closing Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

Thanks for the new thread ickky

Do we want one last thread for musing purposes?

Of course - we'll need somewhere to celebrate!

I like this positivity

Place marking so I can catch up. Still need to finish thread 17.

I just finished reading BCs closing submission (it took a couple of hours). I am biased but feel it is excellent - very clear, I'd find in favour. I've not seen the closing statments for SW or GC though - are we able to access them at all? Has anyone read them & if so what are your opinions?

thanks, ickky!

I read the SW one - nowhere near as clear or convincing as BC's (but IADNAL, and possibly biased). I missed the GC(C) one although I can live without AH's deathless prose.

Don't forget the flat out lying. One of their points said that Stonewall do not try to replace sex with gender and they understand and respect the difference. They also haven't changed same sex to same gender attraction for the definition of homosexuality.

This is from their website just now.

Homosexual
This might be considered a more medical term used to describe someone who has a romantic and/or sexual orientation towards someone of the same gender. The term ‘gay’ is now more generally used.

Thanks @ickky

Absolutely, ickky. And the SW assertions that Allison was somehow treated with too much leniency on the witness stand and overindulged by the panel will have gone down well with EJ Goodman and co.

How long do we need to wait for the outcome?

thankyou for all your hard work AB and BC. So many issues aired in court and nationally.

Signing in. Thank you Ickky. I would like to see the outcomes of both Maya's and Alison's cases before the thread is done, although something tells me we may need to be patient for a while yet.

Would it make sense to combine the two cases to discuss the outcomes on a single thread? A wren watch.

I can see pros and cons both ways, but however these cases finish, they have already contributed to re-establishing the normalcy of women being women and men not being women. The media reporting has moved too. What amazing women Maya and Allison are.

I can see pros and cons both ways, but however these cases finish, they have already contributed to re-establishing the normalcy of women being women and men not being women. The media reporting has moved too. What amazing women Maya and Allison are.

I would add, the immense reputational damage that can befall an organisation that hitches its wagon too firmly to Stonewall

Thanks for the new thread. :)

PMK

Thank you ickky x

Perhaps i'm getting confuzzled, but i'm sure that i read on CourtServe that there was a hearing for Allison this morning at 10:00.
But that can't be right, can it? It was all done and dusted on Monday, i thought.

Unless it's case management?

IANAL.

Did you try to log in?

I'd like to think that Ms Omambala had scripted all of her umm's and ah's, and that she had several pages consisting of these time-wasting verbal fillers.

That's a good point - i didn't think of that.

Yeah, I did log in, just after 10:00 and i've only just disconnected, cos the 'Waiting for the conference host to join' voice was starting to get on my nerves.
There's no way EJG would be that tardy.

<settles in and hands round lemon sherbets> Thanks @ickky !

Signing in for the updates.

Signing in from Porto!

Thanks for the new thread @ickky

I have the concentration of a gnat, so don't actually read and follow- I just dip in.

Is there a timescale for the outcome?

Very impressed by people's staying power. Well done!

Placemarking here so I can dip in and out of the musings