Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 4

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A
Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.
You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Witness Statement of Allison Bailey: allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Kirrin Medcalf's complaint to GCC: allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PH-Bundle-pp-331-2-Stonewall-Complaint.pdf

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3?

Who's on the stand tomorrow, do we know?

Isn't Allison back on the stand?

Yes, Allison will probably continue under cross-examination for two more days.

I find this so serious, it's giving me a dry mouth and keeping me awake at night. That said I expect each new thread to start "when we left our heros..."

They are bloody heroic!

Thank you for being so organised, Icky. Tomorrow I will try and stick to being more factual and less commentatory. Being intensely questioned is draining, so I hope a day off will have given Allison a chance to gather strength.

Does Allison get support humans and animals tomorrow? A posse of support Mumsnetters? I hope she knows we're here anyway.

That's an anonymous Twitter account taking the piss out of a word that has been weaponised against people telling the truth. AB is a professional woman trying to progress her career, and in her case the term 'terf' is both abusive in the manner in which it was used, and very damaging (as we have seen).

Maya had it as her header for the two months leading up to her tribunal, is she not professional?

'Maya had it as her header for the two months leading up to her tribunal, is she not professional?'

She isn't employed. Are you honestly suggesting a woman working for a Stonewall DC organisation wouldn't be at risk of losing her job if she described herself in that way? Be serious. It's a gendered term of abuse that can put the subject at risk of threats, violence and unemployment. Some women use it ironically.

That's a splendid OP ickky, thanks.

Place marking x

Goodness a whole thread filled up today. It will take me a while to read through all of it. Would anyone be willing to summarise key take aways from today?

TIA

The 3-4 strong support team in the room including a dog and his mum was a particular highlight.

The Stonewall guy made a berk of berkself, and there were distancing tactics between the respondant parties.

Not the dog's mum, just to clarify Eresh's post

Yes I'm not aware of the dog's gender identity.

Thanks. That all sound erm...interesting. 😁

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i imagine the poor dog has gone into hiding. There was also a rumour that the dog identified as a cat

I’m sure I heard someone miaow at the end of the hearing.

The best bit was when his mum fucked off, presumably because she thinks her son is a cock, but can't let her face show it.

Yes. There was a miaow.

did it come from under the table of KM? I mean, we only have KM’s word that KM had a dog. After their many statements, I would not be so sure what KM says is a dog is a dog or is a dog because KM says the animal is a dog.

Thanks, ickky.

Looking forward to following the Yellow Brick Stone Wall Road.

‘After their many statements, I would not be so sure what KM says is a dog is a dog or is a dog because KM says the animal is a dog.’

Well no, I wouldn’t be so certain either. He does have a dog, though. It was impeccably behaved during a hearing of several hours. Almost like it understood what was going on.

Don't forget that his generation have been consistently fed exaggerated suicide statistics and mark trans day of remembrance as if the statistics on murder are not from violent societies where most trans identifying people are sexual workers. They are constantly told that they will die, either by suicide or by murder. Is it any wonder that they are paranoid and afraid?

I agree with this wholeheartedly. My younger two are entirely on board and they honestly believe trans people are being massacred or beaten up in vast numbers. No matter how often I offer evidence and stats that it's all bollocks, they have many trans-identifying friends and take the Stonewall line as truth.

Actually, let's revisit that. They have many trans-identifying friends. I mean WTF? Whenever in the history of the world have regular high school students had many trans-identifying friends? Never. Social contagion running rife.

I know and love those kids; they're lovely. But they haven't changed sex, they're scared and mixed up and looking for a solution.

Rebels without a cause, @SpiderVersed