Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 18

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The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case

Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

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Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

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Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Thread 17 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)
Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's

Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Supplementary Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf

Closing Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

Wow that is really fast, hoping it is good news. Judge Goodman did seem to be efficient.

I was thinking it would be October/November time.

If nothing else, everyone got to see the wizard behind the curtain and their little support dog too. Although sadly we didn't actually see the dog.

Best of luck Allison

I think stonewall need to win more than we do. - If "our side" loses it will be because there was a failure to prove the links in the chain not because AB was a dreadful employee that deserved to be mistreated. If stonewall lose it will be one structural brick falling off their wall. This with the 2 year trans tweet from the w/e will be very damaging

But financial detriment isn’t the only argument. It’s also argued that by publicising their ‘investigation’ (when they didn’t for other situations) and by upholding even aspects of the complaints against her, they acted on their own prejudices, and in doing so they damaged her reputation (and/or practice). These are real detriments.

Surely, surely it cannot be legal for Stonewall to write to someone's employers, though, the way they did here.

Surely there must be consequences for that?

There surely must be some kind of investigation into Stonewall sometime soon!?

Yes I would like to see you with egg on your faces tomorrow.

Got the bit about the decision taking a while wrong didn't you?

This was very clear cut, they went against their own policy and publicised that they were investigating AB.

Oh my gosh. Both scared and excited. Love and light to Allison

I think Stonewall’s interjection was obviously their responsibility and detrimental. I just don’t know the law on that bit.

Oh my, I am feeling weepy already.

I can't fathom what Allison is feeling right now.

I hope she is ok.

Hear, hear!

I hope it's a good result for her, but even if not, she has shone a light into some very dark and nasty corners, and we should all be very grateful to her.

I used to quite like Crown Court.

misses point

It is possible that the Judge and lay members agreed to prioritise this case because of the extraordinarily high interest among the public. Over 200 people in the online public gallery each day, if you recall. Previously unheard of for there to be such high interest.

Plus, the three of them may want a summer holiday in August with the weight of this case off their shoulders.

Shamelessly place marking as MN will undoubtedly have the decision up before any msm. 🤞🏻

Fingers crossed for Allison. I hope the outcome is one she is satisfied with. Whatever happens, she’s a warrior who has shone a light on some shady practices.

Whenever I see Ann come up on Twitter, I just know it's going to be a comment which is - 1. deeply unpleasant 2. anti - woman and 3. completely uninformed.

I do try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but that account is spectacularly unpleasant

Whatever the outcome, the court of public opinion is firmly on Allison's side. Coming hot off the heels of transtoddlergate (which is still going and does appear to have reached other countries), it's hard to see the public being anything other than outraged if AB does not win.

It's turning out to be quite the week.

I hope the emotional support wren is adding some finishing touches to Allison's press releases.

Sorry for daft question but where will the decision be posted first?

Wow, that is quick. No idea how to interpret that. Win lose or draw, the sunlight was worth every farthing.

The Tribunal site, iirc.

www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/who-are-the-judiciary/judicial-roles/tribunals/tribunal-decisions/

Yep, although the result is obviously personally important to Allison, her courage in taking the case forward and the sunlight shone as a result of it were, to me, worth every penny I donated whatever the result. I'd donate the same again.

Best wishes to Allison and as per previous pp's, win or lose I don't regret donating a penny to her costs.

It shed so much sunlight on how Stonewall operates and how institutions are captured to the point they flout good practice to show their devotion.

That said, I'm going out on a limb and saying I think Allison should get a better nights sleep tonight than those aligned with Stonewall and GCC.

Best wishes and everything crossed for Allison. It was a privilege to be able to donate to your cause. Thank you for all that you have done (also I really really REALLY want you to win)