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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 18

995 replies

ickky · 22/06/2022 20:26

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case

Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Thread 17 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)
Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's

Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf

Supplementary Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf

Closing Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

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Terfydactyl · 26/07/2022 08:20

Emotionalsupportviper · 25/07/2022 20:00

I thought the Fox-Batterer just saw a very lucrative cash cow - I didn't realise he had a personal interest.

Hass the kimono wearing fox basher told all those funders of the good law project what he is spending their donations on? Or planning to spend it on?

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/07/2022 10:55

I don't think so, @Terfydactyl - and he doesn't have a very high success rate (not that that bothers him because he gets his (probably ginormous) fee anyway..

TBH, ifI were them I'd be looking to fund a barrister who seemed to know what they were doing. Or maybe there's no merit in their causes?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 26/07/2022 12:34

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/07/2022 10:55

I don't think so, @Terfydactyl - and he doesn't have a very high success rate (not that that bothers him because he gets his (probably ginormous) fee anyway..

TBH, ifI were them I'd be looking to fund a barrister who seemed to know what they were doing. Or maybe there's no merit in their causes?

It seems that JM is unperturbed by what for most other barristers, would be a spreadsheet of shame.

twitter.com/Wonkypolicywonk/status/1544618119611793411

labourpainsblog.com/2022/06/12/good-law-project-i-won/

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:02

Allison Bailey
@BluskyeAllison
Judgement in my case against Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers will be promulgated / handed down tomorrow 27 Jul

!!!!!!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 26/07/2022 14:03

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:02

Allison Bailey
@BluskyeAllison
Judgement in my case against Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers will be promulgated / handed down tomorrow 27 Jul

!!!!!!

Wow. Blimey. That's quick. That must be a good sign? Or a really bad sign? Or EJG is a speed writing demon?

Gabcsika · 26/07/2022 14:03

According to a tweet by Allison, the judgement is due tomorrow.

"Judgement in my case against Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers will be promulgated / handed down tomorrow 27 July at 12 noon."

I was expecting this to take MUCH longer.

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 18
Chrysanthemum5 · 26/07/2022 14:04

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:02

Allison Bailey
@BluskyeAllison
Judgement in my case against Stonewall and Garden Court Chambers will be promulgated / handed down tomorrow 27 Jul

!!!!!!

Wow!!!!

SummerLobelia · 26/07/2022 14:04

Checking in!!!!!!

Gabcsika · 26/07/2022 14:05

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 26/07/2022 14:03

Wow. Blimey. That's quick. That must be a good sign? Or a really bad sign? Or EJG is a speed writing demon?

I am wondering the same thing.

This is such a fast judgement. I was thinking it would be at least 6 months.

SummerLobelia · 26/07/2022 14:05

Good luck Allison. I am thinking of you and hoping that true justice prevails.

Thanks Thanks
Pickanameforme · 26/07/2022 14:05

Blimey I thought it would take much longer too.

IcakethereforeIam · 26/07/2022 14:05

Well that just spiked my anxiety. Strength to Allison.

Madcats · 26/07/2022 14:05

Fingers crossed that sanity prevails.

I would like to think that the judges are aware of how many other cases depend on this and Maya's recent judgement, one way or another.

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:06

I'm thinking its not good news (or only partially good). - Something like RRS bristol judgement

Gabcsika · 26/07/2022 14:10

I can only imagine it being very very good, or very very bad.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 26/07/2022 14:10

Well clearly the judge and her cat think this is a really obvious cut and dried case. Wonder which way though.

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:15

So we know that influential members of chambers were prejudicial on the account of her beliefs ; think this was more or less proved
We know that she suffered detriment

So perhaps it has to be overall good news??

Queenoftheashes · 26/07/2022 14:20

Surely, surely it’s good news. The things the witnesses were coming out with!

MsMarvellous · 26/07/2022 14:21

Oh Christ. That's fast. Even if she loses in law the judgment could make for very interesting reading.

jewishmum · 26/07/2022 14:23

Following for result

PaleBlueMoonlight · 26/07/2022 14:30

I worry about this. There was such a lot of evidence that it is hard to believe they could have had time to synthesise it all, which means it may be being decided on a small point in respect of which there was no need to deeply consider the wider issues/evidence. Fingers crossed.

Feministwoman · 26/07/2022 14:33

Oh wow. That's fast.

Sophoclesthefox · 26/07/2022 14:35

Blimey flip, hope it’s good news. Good luck, Allison!

I’ve been on a sort of enforced leave of absence from matters GC and missed a chunk of the trial, can’t believe the amount of threads! Wish I had time for a nice leisurely perusal, I bet they’re brimful of incisive analysis and (and quality bantz too of course Grin

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 26/07/2022 14:38

Feministwoman · 26/07/2022 14:33

Oh wow. That's fast.

Just came hear thinking the same.

Keeping 🤞🤞🤞 she gets the right outcome.

drwitch · 26/07/2022 14:39

PaleBlueMoonlight · 26/07/2022 14:30

I worry about this. There was such a lot of evidence that it is hard to believe they could have had time to synthesise it all, which means it may be being decided on a small point in respect of which there was no need to deeply consider the wider issues/evidence. Fingers crossed.

Yes this worries me too. On the other hand it could simply be that once you prove attitudes, detriment, have a comparator then you don't need to prove intent or a particular mechanism