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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 3

1000 replies

ickky · 08/05/2022 20:09

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.
You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.

On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

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BoreOfWhabylon · 08/05/2022 20:27

Thanks ickky

TheBiologyStupid · 08/05/2022 20:32

Thanks, ickky - looking forward to Allison taking the stand again tomorrow.

Wimbunds · 08/05/2022 20:34

Thank you x

HairyBum · 08/05/2022 21:44

👩🏽‍⚖️

PonyPatter44 · 08/05/2022 21:46

On the off-chance you are reading this, Allison, or have a good friend who is feeding the reasonable stuff back to you - very, very best of luck!

Joolsin · 08/05/2022 21:55

I've spent the afternoon reading through Allison's witness statement and I'm absolutely astounded that the senior members of GC acted in such a ham-fisted manner throughout. Quite apart from their dreadful treatment of Allison, my estimation of their professional capabilities has plummeted - I wouldn't trust them to defend me for a parking fine. They didn't check anything properly, just made wild assumptions. It's just shocking.

Moppincraxy · 08/05/2022 21:56

Wondering how much work I'm going to get done tomorrow as will be following on here and tribunal tweets.

Joolsin · 08/05/2022 21:56

Also, best of luck tomorrow, Allison, you are a phenomenal woman 💐

FlibbertyGiblets · 08/05/2022 21:58

Thanks Ickky.

nepeta · 08/05/2022 22:05

Joolsin · 08/05/2022 21:55

I've spent the afternoon reading through Allison's witness statement and I'm absolutely astounded that the senior members of GC acted in such a ham-fisted manner throughout. Quite apart from their dreadful treatment of Allison, my estimation of their professional capabilities has plummeted - I wouldn't trust them to defend me for a parking fine. They didn't check anything properly, just made wild assumptions. It's just shocking.

I found that confusing, too. When I initially heard about the case I thought that Stonewall was a major client of the Garden Court, but it turns out that in terms of revenue they were not a client at all. Yet in her statement Allison describes how some in the chambers dissed an actual client who had written to support Allison. So the strength of the beliefs here was immense, yet I can't quite see where they came from, ie, was it just an assumption that trans rights were exactly like gay and Lesbian rights or what motivated the extremely strong reactions by some in GC.

SelfPortraitWithFoxInSmokingJacket · 09/05/2022 07:36

I think Allison won't be able to read anything about the case till after her evidence is over - but once she can, ALLISON, IF YOU'RE THERE, YOU'RE BRILLIANT. 😀

Sexnotgender · 09/05/2022 07:39

I’ve got a busy day at work but will try and keep up. The whole thing is utterly astounding.

Signalbox · 09/05/2022 07:42

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Cuck00soup · 09/05/2022 07:49

The psychology of GCC’s behaviour is interesting I suppose if you aren’t Alison. It’s like an extreme version of sunken costs. They had thrown their lot in with SW and so when AB began to voice an alternative opinion and dared to intimate that the Emperor might not be fully clothed she had to be dealt with.

Quick! Let’s Shutdown a black, female lesbian. It will show how kind we really are.

SpindleInTheWind · 09/05/2022 09:07

I'm placemarking for when Thread 2 is full.

AlisonDonut · 09/05/2022 09:10

nepeta · 08/05/2022 22:05

I found that confusing, too. When I initially heard about the case I thought that Stonewall was a major client of the Garden Court, but it turns out that in terms of revenue they were not a client at all. Yet in her statement Allison describes how some in the chambers dissed an actual client who had written to support Allison. So the strength of the beliefs here was immense, yet I can't quite see where they came from, ie, was it just an assumption that trans rights were exactly like gay and Lesbian rights or what motivated the extremely strong reactions by some in GC.

Not a client but hoping to get referrals from them for one that would presumably be a lucrative income generator.

Juggins2 · 09/05/2022 09:14

Allison you are an inspiration. Rooting for you today and every day xxx

WarriorNewAgain · 09/05/2022 09:38

Rooting for you Allison 👏

Moppincraxy · 09/05/2022 09:40

Is it a 10am start today?

PandorasMailbox · 09/05/2022 09:41

We're on your side Allison. You've got this!.

SpringLobelia · 09/05/2022 09:47

On your side Allison. Thanks

DomesticatedZombie · 09/05/2022 09:49
Flowers
Chrysanthemum5 · 09/05/2022 09:53

Allison - you have a host of women behind you, win or lose you are a shero

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 09/05/2022 10:05

Behind you a million per cent Allison <flowers>

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 09/05/2022 10:09

Standing behind you with everyone else today! Thank you.

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