Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

[nauticant]

First! Thanks @ickky

[LipbalmOrKnickers]

Excellent work again @ickky

[Gabcsika]

Thanks for new thread Ikky. Just in time for the break.


What do you all think? Media position and thus GCC position being "neutral" looking ropey, isn't it?

[MythicalReasonableTwitterUser]

What do you all think? Media position and thus GCC position being "neutral" looking ropey, isn't it?
Ropey af. Wouldn't they have been better of just admitting they had a preferred stance to some degree at least?

[nauticant]

To me that looks like the media time being neutral on sex vs gender is very shaky Gabcsika which should make the panel wonder where they were getting their bias from when many barristers have given testimony that trans ally views at GCC were simply personally held and only rarely discussed.

One can see how having MB after this witness is the best way to do it. (Straight after would have been best but hey-ho.)

[nauticant]

time team

[Zeugma]

Thanks for the new thread, ickky. I’m frantically trying the skim read the Sue Gray report before they start again…

[NancyDrawed]

EJG back in the room!

[DoubleChinWoes2]

Can someone summarise the salient points to date please? I have tried to read the threads but there are so many, and lots of comments are one liners which are difficult to put into context without further background.

[ickky]

@DoubleChinWoes2

Can someone summarise the salient points to date please? I have tried to read the threads but there are so many, and lots of comments are one liners which are difficult to put into context without further background.

Read tribunal tweets, it has all the deets and none of our nonsense.

[Maerchentante]

I've been lurking on the other threads, thank you Icky and all contributors.

Unfortunately, I can't watch/listen as I'm back in my office full time, so reading these thread keeps me updated.

[LipbalmOrKnickers]

@DoubleChinWoes2

Can someone summarise the salient points to date please? I have tried to read the threads but there are so many, and lots of comments are one liners which are difficult to put into context without further background.

TT have the full transcripts without our commentary here tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden?s=r

[WomensLandArmy]

Support crisps out here and quick unpick at the ready.

[WomensLandArmy]

'What other people were saying' is that on the bingo card?

[LipbalmOrKnickers]

Is that a bird picture behind Ben? Has it always been there??

[Gabcsika]

According to DDM he was being objective and even handed.

[Appalonia]

God what a boring and monotone voice this guy has. I actually nodded off during his testimony!

[Mumsnut]

IS IT THE WREN??

[WinterTrees]

Every time something from the bingo card comes up I have resolved to do a set of pelvic floor squeezes. Starting late, but I think I'll be able to do 10 minutes on the trampoline by end of play Friday.

[nauticant]

DDM is now facing the choice of having to acknowledge prejudice against AB or give testimony that goes against the evidence and particularly his email (page 611 of the downloadable core bundle). He's going for the latter.

[Bundlephobia]

@WinterTrees

Every time something from the bingo card comes up I have resolved to do a set of pelvic floor squeezes. Starting late, but I think I'll be able to do 10 minutes on the trampoline by end of play Friday.

I love Mumsnet

[Appalonia]

@LipbalmOrKnickers

Is that a bird picture behind Ben? Has it always been there??

I've been trying to figure out what that picture is!

[ickky]

Why is DDM denying that GCC are pro trans, he literally put exactly that in writing?

[oviraptor21]

Yes the bird picture was noted the other day

[ClocheEncounter]

DM is Head of Communications but doesn't seem to understand how Twitter works.

DM expressed opinion, back in the day, that AB's tweets could be seen as 'problematic' because of GCC's reputation for being LGBT+ friendly and because other people objected to her tweets. He now strongly denies that he had an opinion on the subject at all. But while he was very concerned about the risk of reputational damage, he doesn't seem to have taken into account how reputable any of the complainers on Twitter were.