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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 11

1002 replies

ickky · 23/05/2022 16:04

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.
You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)

To come?

Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 23/05/2022 16:07

Thanks ickky, on it like a car bonnet again!

nauticant · 23/05/2022 16:07

Marvellous work @ickky. Thanks!

Appalonia · 23/05/2022 16:08

Thanks!

nauticant · 23/05/2022 16:10

Looking at the estimated set of remaining witnesses we could be in for a gripping rest of the week.

Wimbunds · 23/05/2022 16:13

Place marking. Thank you x

LipbalmOrKnickers · 23/05/2022 16:14

LD is on Twitter, and owns it - but doesn't know how replies work.

Appalonia · 23/05/2022 16:14

GCC need to get with the program and learn how to use Twitter properly!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/05/2022 16:14

Random question - why is the bundle such poor visual quality? It looks like it has been badly photocopied multiple times, but surely the information would have gathered and bundled digitally?

LipbalmOrKnickers · 23/05/2022 16:15

nauticant · 23/05/2022 16:10

Looking at the estimated set of remaining witnesses we could be in for a gripping rest of the week.

I can feel my blood-pressure going up just looking at it. In constant awe of how strong Allison is to bring this all into the light.

FacebookPhotos · 23/05/2022 16:15

LD is on Twitter, and owns it - but doesn't know how replies work.

Tbf, there is a complicated (proprietary) algorithm which decides which tweets, likes and replies you see from people you follow. So you won't see everything posted by someone just because you follow them. And you certainly don't see every reply to their tweets.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 23/05/2022 16:16

I couldn't possibly comment why the bundle is absolute shite...

A first class legal mind is apparently responsible.

Appalonia · 23/05/2022 16:17

The huge reputational damage chambers inflicted on themselves. Yes!

Appalonia · 23/05/2022 16:18

I just can't get over the lack of curiosity these barristers seem to have shown about WHY this was considered controversial?

Mmmnotsure · 23/05/2022 16:20

LD must have taken a bet before she came on to see how many times she can get 'twitterstorm' into her evidence.

Chrysanthemum5 · 23/05/2022 16:20

So LD is admitting they didn't consider it fully just panicked in response to some Twitter messages and sent out a response. I wonder when she decided she no longer supported Allison 🤔

Clymene · 23/05/2022 16:21

I can't see the bundle. It just says it's one page and nothing downloads

theemperorhasnoclothes · 23/05/2022 16:23

Chrysanthemum5 · 23/05/2022 16:20

So LD is admitting they didn't consider it fully just panicked in response to some Twitter messages and sent out a response. I wonder when she decided she no longer supported Allison 🤔

I wonder if they're going to change position every time there's a 'twitter storm'.

Putin will be rubbing his hands with glee.

ickky · 23/05/2022 16:23

Clymene · 23/05/2022 16:21

I can't see the bundle. It just says it's one page and nothing downloads

It takes ages to download, minimum 5 minutes.

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MagnoliaTaint · 23/05/2022 16:23

ickky you are doing brilliantly, thank you again!

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 23/05/2022 16:24

Thanks @ickky!

Clymene · 23/05/2022 16:24

Oh do I just have to leave it open? Thanks @ickky - will try that. And thanks as ever for your fabulous thread management

LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 23/05/2022 16:25

Twitter storm.
DRINK!
Going to ratarsed by the end of this

Signalbox · 23/05/2022 16:26

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ifIwerenotanandroid · 23/05/2022 16:26

Isn't there some other response that GCC could have made, other than AB was being investigated (or however they put it)?

Couldn't they have said something like its a legitimate view, no one barrister represents the entire chambers' views, etc?

FingonTheValiant · 23/05/2022 16:28

Eyeroll from EJ

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