Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

A BIG BOY DONE IT AND RUN AWAY!

said that any guidance from the ethics helpline was not legal advice and that the body accepted no responsibility or liability for any action taken in reliance on it

So the point of this whole council is???
A helpline set up for legal people doesn't give legal advice.
WTF

Maybe I'm being thick (wouldn't be the first time) but I didn't understand why the helpline got mentioned by the Bar Council at all.

How did the relevant Head of Chambers contact the Bar Council? Was it via a personal contact and prior acquaintance or initially via the helpline?

No, it was more the fact that one of their most commonly sung chants has the refrain "No-one likes us, we don't care", which doesn't strike me as particularly fitting for most TRAs.

Mumsnet has more balls than Millwall. Does anyone else remember that from 2018, when one of the feminist events was meant to be held at Millwall & they chickened out? Can’t remember which one but it was at a time when Justine had just dared to defy the Misogynist Monitors.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/if-mumsnet-can-stand-up-for-free-speech-why-can-t-mps-

@SidewaysOtter

In a jar!!

I was just contemplating the feasibility of making a Jaffa cake look like a twix finger ….

I do remember that, Empress. It was a real eye-opener for me. I used to live quite close to Millwall!

Oh God I still say
More balls than millwall, when its justified obviously.
DP laughs at it, but hes no idea where it came from. Bless him.

I read this today and it irritated me, two beardy guys deciding, over dinner, that tw, meh!

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jun/02/dining-across-the-divide-labour-tory-brexit-corruption-jk-rowling

I need to stop picking that Guardian scab, it's never going to heal.

Also an article about abortion/religious clash that only uses the word 'woman' in a quote. Whilst, at the top of the page, several articles about how women have their health problem dismissed. See the NHS does know what women are! Even if it's just to know who to ignore and neglect.

I didn't want to start new threads for any of these, I don't think they'd make useful discussions. But I wanted to put them somewhere, like coughing up a furball.

Feel better now.

Sorry.

Oh God, someone completely ignorant of the JKR stuff gets educated by someone who spends his time playing toy soldiers? I feel a furball of my own coming up!

@MooseBeTimeForSnow I can’t have that stuff in the house. It’s the crack cocaine of sugary goods!

That article demonstrates how misinformation and badly-argued ideas spread.

I have to say, as a regular Guardian reader, I always bypass that feature as quickly as possible. Just a showcase for views that can be extreme and sometimes abhorrent.

I just had a cheeky Bourbon biscuit or two and thought of the thread.

I'm alarmed to see we're at 940 posts already. @ickky have you got the next thread ready? Do you think we could fill 1000 posts of biscuit & Jaffa cake chat before 20 June?

I just had 2 TUC biscuits and here I am.

I spent far too long in the polytunnel and I've had to come in and get changed. Too hot.

Do you think we could fill 1000 posts of biscuit & Jaffa cake chat before 20 June?

I must have done the Tesco online shop that arrived yesterday under the influence of this thread. There's Tunnocks tea cakes, chocolate hobnobs, jaffa cakes, blood orange and chocolate shortbread, chocolate fingers and a Maya mug. No support twixes though.

I'm a bit annoyed by the biscuit chat. I only come here for hard nosed legal business. I hope @ickky is keeping an eye on the post count. I'm getting antsy again.

Of course I am keeping an eye. O ye of little faith.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17

Me too.

Marking place with coffee-dunked Lotus biscuit.

Gah! Marked place on wrong thread!

@BoreOfWhabylon That means you have to have another biscuit to placemark on the new thread.

Does it have to be another coffee-dunked Lotus biscuit, @ickky ?

Could it be dunked in tea instead?

Any hot libation of your choice will do @Emotionalsupportviper ☕🍵