Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

'Gender' is a separate thing from sex though. Doesn't everyone understand that now? A person's preferred 'gender' and their sex is likely to be pretty obvious from looking at them. Whereas on the phone the superficial clues of gender aren't so apparent.

I’m not sure, but it seems inexplicable to me.

Interesting that BC, IO and RMW all work for the same Chambers. A contrast to GCC that he is (clearly) able to go about his business without colleagues persecuting him, and so can IO/RMW. That’s tolerance.

Dearie, dearie me.

Chambers & Partners recognises Robin as a leading junior and is “always at hand to give excellent and detailed advice at short notice,” report satisfied customers. She “wins the confidence of the market”, “having gravitas which does not alienate the client” and as having “great analytical skills”.
She is said to be a “terrier in the tribunals” and a “calm but quietly effective” advocate whom clients appreciate for practical and flexible advice with “great tribunal presence” and “who’s cross-examination is wonderful to listen to”. She is “the go-to lawyer for trans cases”.

Wasn't it trans cases that GCC were so keen on getting and which motivated them to cozy up to Stonewall.

That article is shocking in its one sidedness!

How can it be ok for a legal team member to involve themselves during the trial?

Quite apart from the absolute misinformation and misrepresentation peppered throughout ...

That’s a shockingly one sided article. I don’t think anyone on here has a “virulent hate” for trans people.
I want to find a way where we can create spaces that work for everyone with single-sex exceptions where needed. “No debate” shuts down any way of moving forward.

Interesting that both Robin and Moya (article author) use “loud” as a criticism of GC women. That’s one step away from “shrill”. A new day, same old misogyny.

I don’t think anyone on here has a “virulent hate” for trans people.

Certainly far less virulent hate than RMW exhibits for women, and their existence, at least. It's pure projection.

"Increasingly, their focus is on the law and attacking even the current meagre rights it offers women".

What's meagre about their rights, exactly?

That article……..good grief. Was that really a good idea?

Didn't a poster on here use 'virulent' in relation to the LGBA just yesterday...

I’ve searched through this thread and can’t find it being used.

It is on another thread. On here I mean on Mumsnet.

I wonder if it ever occurs to people, especially (but not exclusively) male-born people, that we might not have to be so "loud" if they would occasionally shut the fuck up from talking over us and listen to what we have to say first time around.

My work here is done . . .

Don't blame me-it was BB who worshipped the Drain Cover God.

Drain Cover God is eeeeeeeeeeevil.

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I don't have the energy for hate - of anyone.

I'm too busy fighting for my daughter's, daughter-in-law's, and grandchild's precious right to safety, dignity and privacy.

I want to find a way where we can create spaces that work for everyone with single-sex exceptions where needed. “No debate” shuts down any way of moving forward

Exactly, @Shortpoet

Drain cover god keeps us safe from the things, the things in the drain

No. They literally don't think we are worthy of opinions.

Is it?

twitter.com/iaindale/status/1531732240576684038?s=21&t=2KV-K8F9WwOhx8gQE2ezdw

Oh dear. The swinging video (almost child like) and is just as annoying as her questioning style in that sing song voice.

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Drain Cover God is a cruel master . . .

Drain Cover God has been banished here! www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/283656476517138487/

(Doesn't Jeremy Corbyn collect drain covers, btw?)

But we needs them, gives them back!

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But we needs them, gives them back!

We does!

Message from The Drain God.

I am hurt, angry, upset, feel ganged up on, violated and well, quite frankly think I want to cry.

I am The Drain God! I have never, do not now, and never will, identify as the drain Cover God! Just because i make Boiled lick the Drain Cover, does not mean I get to be the god of the cover.

I would like to believe it was a genuine mistake by a poster and not an attempt to purposefully attack me by intimating that I am something that I am not.

If you have an issue with Gary the actual Drain Cover God though I can give you his number.

Kevin
The Drain God

PS, and despite making my followers do the whole cover licking thing, I'm actually rather sweet. I am not a monster you know. I've even set up a creche and school for all the unwanted pets that are flushed whilst the children are at school.