Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

[Signalbox]

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[Iknowitisheresomewhere]

I don't do twitter - can someone explain what an 'impression' is?

Does it mean that a particular tweet has been viewed that number of times?

Presumably that could be multiple times by one person so not necessarily 31 million people?

Or are they adding up impressions of each tweet - so say they wrote 30 tweets, each one viewed 1 million times - is that their 31 million?

[TheBiologyStupid]

EJ asks for bundle to be sorted out. BC will do it "in a more sensible" way.

[yourhairiswinterfire]

@WallaceinAnderland

What is the relevance of the Mumsnet link to WPUK meeting chaired by AB?

I think they're saying that Mumsnet were 'celebrating' the fact that a gender critical barrister from GCC was attending a WPUK meeting, and GCC didn't like it, because they didn't want to be associated with anything gender critical and wanted to distance themselves from it.

[Roseglen84]

AH being a lick arse to the judge at the end - how smarmy.

[Boiledbeetle]

now what do we do???

[tabbycatstripy]

Barristers feeling proud.

[chilling19]

Feel ps like the end of The Truman Show 😂

[ClocheEncounter]

"Have you seen the chat?" from AH there, presumably in response to all the people thanking the judge!

[Pyjamagame]

Not sure how all three parties will be able to agree one document....

[IDidntKnowItWasAParty]

As someone said in the chat - it's the end of an era.

[VaginaRegina]

Catch up on all the work we haven't done over the past couple of weeks?

[Signalbox]

I had the urge to write something really naughty in the chat in the last 5 mins!

[NancyDrawed]

AH to JR 'Have you seen the chat?'

(Comments about thank you to all, open justice, privelidge to have been able to observe etc)

[WallaceinAnderland]

Aw lots of thanks in the chat.

EJ end now

...

AH Have you seen the chat

Everyone smiles fondly at lovely messages to panel in chat

[ickky]

Phew, over now until 20th June for closing submissions.

AH was looking fondly at his screen and said to JR, look at the chat. It was full of people thanking the judge.

That was nice.

[nauticant]

AH makes clear that throughout the case there was huge cooperation among the counsel for all parties.

My possibly unpopular view is that I respected the way AH ran his case. Some bits annoyed me but overall it was the kind of assertiveness I would expect to have from a counsel representing me.

[IDidntKnowItWasAParty]

AH being a lick arse to the judge at the end - how smarmy.

Exactly what I though - after he's been quite rude to her throughout.

[SidewaysOtter]

What did Mr H say when he thought the cameras/mics were off, was it "Did you see the chat?" In which case, what was in the chat?

And WHY do experienced legal people not know to keep quiet with their comments until they KNOW a mic is off?!

[TopKnotch]

I love that EJG had some healthy doubt over how efficient a document between 3 would be given the bundle....

[Boiledbeetle]

i'm going for my now late afternoon nap, then I plan to spend this evening catching up reading today's threads as ive missed most comments.

better feed the cat first

[NancyDrawed]

@NancyDrawed

AH to JR 'Have you seen the chat?'

(Comments about thank you to all, open justice, privelidge to have been able to observe etc)

*priviledge

[BenCooperisaGod]

@Iknowitisheresomewhere

I don't do twitter - can someone explain what an 'impression' is?

Does it mean that a particular tweet has been viewed that number of times?

Presumably that could be multiple times by one person so not necessarily 31 million people?

Or are they adding up impressions of each tweet - so say they wrote 30 tweets, each one viewed 1 million times - is that their 31 million?

Noooooo. No more Twittersplaining. Just pop Hockhouse an email, he should have it down pat by now

[Appalonia]

Well that was a marathon wasn't it? Well done everyone! The outcome is going to be utterly nailbiting...

[PurpleDrain]

Oh no summing up tomorrow then? Not like tv is it?