Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

[BoreOfWhabylon]

I had another Lotus biscuit for the new thread, and then a few more! They are very thin though(unlike me)

[ImNotOnTwitterButMySupportGoldfinchTweets]

@SupportRobin

No, it was more the fact that one of their most commonly sung chants has the refrain "No-one likes us, we don't care", which doesn't strike me as particularly fitting for most TRAs.

How nonchalant are they really though? They’ve made a whole song about it...

[ImNotOnTwitterButMySupportGoldfinchTweets]

Forgot the to go with that.

[IdisagreeMrHochhauser]

My uncle is a Millwall fan, man and boy. I used to live within earshot of the ground if the wind was in the right direction. They care deeply - most supporters aren't thugs but there are a few - people don't like Millwall generally because of those few and there is a bit of a white working class chip on the shoulder mentality in the area anyway.

Thanks for the new thread, ickky, I can relax again.

[highame]

@AlisonDonut

I just had 2 TUC biscuits and here I am.

I spent far too long in the polytunnel and I've had to come in and get changed. Too hot.

I didn't know the TUC had their own biscuits.

Haven't been on the site since February and am here to catch some depth on AB's case. Wow such a lot, might need the 'Reader's Digest' version....and then MN decides to upgrade. As if I don't have enough problems.

[IdisagreeMrHochhauser]

We used to hold work meetings very often at the TUC. I think TUC biscuits would have scenes of industrial protest on them instead of the cows on the malted milk biscuits.

[IdisagreeMrHochhauser]

I suppose that brings us full circle. Could anyone persuade the TUC to bring out a range of Tribunal biscuits with our favourite scenes on. We have ample material....

[Zebracat]

I think some suffrage biscuits would be good. Obviously not forced feeding or the Kings Horse, but pennies with a hole, and biscuits with striped violet, white and green icing. I’m not much of a cook, but I’m quite tempted to give this a go

[Zebracat]

Oops this is the old thread.

[IdisagreeMrHochhauser]

I don't like leaving a thread hanging with 40 spaces. I haven't checked out the new one yet in case it's full of biscuits before 20th.

[dunBel]

Yep, we may as well carry on with the general wittering over here until this thread is full, to save capacity on the next one.

[dunBel]

Quick question about next week's summing up session - who goes first? Is it usually the claimant, and then the respondant responds, or is it the other way around? And given we have two separate respondants in this case, is there any priority involved there, or do they just agree it between them?

[IdisagreeMrHochhauser]

I don't know but bumping this.

I feel like we need to fill this before Monday or else I'll be agitated again about having simultaneous threads open. Quick. Someone say something about biscuits 30 times 😉

I'm invoking autistic privilege for having weird Mumsnet thread anxiety and not having my mother or my support dog to hand.

I have support cockerels near me but it's too hot for them so they're hiding under the shrubbery and providing no emotional support whatsoever.

[LaPufalina]

I'll help fill it
What time does it all start on Monday? I could scroll back to check but that wouldn't help the thread number!

[ClocheEncounter]

I think it’s scheduled for 10am, LaPufalina.

(Insert something about Jammie Dodgers goes here. Even though I buy the Aldi equivalents because they’re cheaper and just as nice, IMO.)

[ClocheEncounter]

And now I can double post to bemoan the lack of an edit button 😁

[TeenPlusCat]

I can't be with you on Monday due to EHCP review.
My 17yo likes party rings though, they are currently her treat of choice.
I like a plain chocolate kit kat myself.

[IcakethereforeIam]

My support bumblebees have been buzzy all morning. Bees know things!

Is that 1000 yet?

[Gabcsika]

@IcakethereforeIam

My support bumblebees have been buzzy all morning. Bees know things!

Is that 1000 yet?

Not quite yet... Not quite yet.
What time does the hearing start on Monday?

[ahagwearsapointybonnet]

Do we have any idea what's likely to be happening when on Monday? I have to work and probably can't even WFH that day (was hoping to use flexi time to catch a bit at home), so trying to work out whether I can manage any at all, and what bits are likely to be of most interest 😠

[LaPufalina]

I've managed to book a scan and a dentist appointment for that day after thinking it looked a nice free WFH day. Current me is cross with past me

[IdisagreeMrHochhauser]

I don't know what will happen and how long it will all take but I suspect it won't be all day will it? Each of the three barristers will do their summing up/ closing arguments.

Not sure what else needs to happen. Judge says something about the timetable maybe?

I have it as Keep Free in my work diary in homage to Allison Bailey. I have no clerks to give me work. Just an incredibly annoying boss who this morning gave me something with a deadline of close of play Monday but I'll be tuning in anyway.

[TwoDrifters2]

27 more after this one…

[Tallisker]

26, surely?

[DeaconBoo]

Thought I'd come and think about biscuits on here instead of the same old, same old, meaningless nonsense on other threads!
Sainsburys used to do an excellent stem ginger dark chocolate cookie. In fact I might pop there next week to see if they still do.