Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

[MsMarvellous]

AH at the end there was himself. Not his character as a Barrister.

He smiled. And was natural. Saw the human. It was lovely.

[Feministwoman]

Well
That was an exciting two weeks!

[LipbalmOrKnickers]

That was an amazing thing.

[ifIwerenotanandroid]

Lovely smile from AH



r at the end there - I don't think I've seen him smile before.

And 🍰🍷💐to iccky

[SidewaysOtter]

AH was looking fondly at his screen and said to JR, look at the chat. It was full of people thanking the judge.

That was nice.

Aha, ignore previous post!

[Mollyollydolly]

I typed thank you in the chat after being a good swot for all these weeks ..

It was a privilege - more of this stuff please.

And Allison good luck to you, may your career prosper after this x

[Zeugma]

AH trying to do the rictus smile thing they do on TV when they’re not sure they’ve cut away 😂

[Ameanstreakamilewide]

@Signalbox

I had the urge to write something really naughty in the chat in the last 5 mins!

So did i!

I wanted to compliment BC & the Panel.

[TopKnotch]

Do we have addresses for the panel at all? I feel like writing and thanking them.

Regardless of the outcome this has been a very impressive tribunal for all sorts of reasons.

[mcduffy]

I got a bit wistful too and I thought AH looked quite genuine with his nice smile at the end.

[LipbalmOrKnickers]

@SidewaysOtter

What did Mr H say when he thought the cameras/mics were off, was it "Did you see the chat?" In which case, what was in the chat?

And WHY do experienced legal people not know to keep quiet with their comments until they KNOW a mic is off?!

It was lovely, lots of people saying thank you for open justice, end of an era, thanking judge etc. He looked genuinely touched.

[FacebookPhotos]

I agree with nauticant - I though AH seemed very good. I would pick him over any of the blustering fools I've seen act as witnesses for GCC!

[TheBiologyStupid]

@yourhairiswinterfire

I think they're saying that Mumsnet were 'celebrating' the fact that a gender critical barrister from GCC was attending a WPUK meeting, and GCC didn't like it, because they didn't want to be associated with anything gender critical and wanted to distance themselves from it.

SH seemed to be referencing something in an email before it had actually taken place. AH suggested in his re-examination that vipers here were the source of the advance information. Not sure how that works, as I didn't have SH down as a lurker by any s-t-r-e-t-c-h of the imagination.

[TheClitterati]

Is that it then? No summing up etc tomorrow?

[itsnearlyallover]

I don't know who I love more, Ben Cooper, EJGoodman or Allison Bailey.

Actually I do, it's Allison Bailey. What an absolute star she is.

[Signalbox]

@TheClitterati

Is that it then? No summing up etc tomorrow?

Final submissions 20th June

[IDidntKnowItWasAParty]

I dont know where i got the idea that summing up was tomorrow! long wait until 20 June....but gives me time to catch up on all my work arghh.
Can I sue GCC & SW when i get fired for not doing any work over the past week!?

[Appalonia]

It must have been quite an experience for some of them having such a big audience! I wonder if AH and IO really understand just how big of a case this is? And not just to those involved?

[ickky]

I hope Allison has a BIG glass of her favourite tipple and can relax a bit now.

If you ever read this

Thank you Allison for doing this, we know it wasn't for the money (but I hope you get lots), but for everyone, especially the children that are being harmed. Thank you.

[TofuDelights]

Thanks yet again ickky et al!

[AlisonDonut]

Oh my goodness just caught up..Well done @ickky you are a star.

[Ameanstreakamilewide]

A large g&t for everyone!

I feel exhausted, quite frankly.

I've been at sports day today, so i only heard the first and last hours.

I was 😳 at MB this morning, though.

[LipbalmOrKnickers]

Aw yes, huge thanks to @ickky for being on it like a car bonnet throughout! And to all of you who have provided such enlightening and entertaining commentary for the past couple of weeks. I've mainly lurked on MN since 2005, might post a bit more often now. You're a lovely lot of vipers really.

[lanadelgrey]

Late arrival and only bothered to get up to speed with new fangled MN for this, but read every thread still and enjoyed every minute.
Just wondering how the engagement of MN users and the very length of this will effect MN advertising stats? It will surely show up when they do their data capture and be a final nail against pile-ons against advertisers. Dunno if anyone was persuaded to change washing powder while following BC and cat-spotting but undeniably we all stayed on the site where the ad was running for a veerrry long time

[Mollyollydolly]

If you ever read these threads AH I take it all back. You were doing your job and doing it well (apart from twitter explanation, that I cant forgive)

Thanks to everyone involved from all sides for letting us be part of it.

And thanks to Allison who lived it.