Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

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There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

[StrongOutspokenOftenIrritating]

Did any of the witnesses expand on why talk on mumsnet was such an issue? I might have missed it?

[AlisonDonut]

The moment they tweeted that they were investigating a named person, was the moment they put a target on her back. And they fucking know it. You don't need gossip if you've tweeted it.

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

If I was Justine or WPUK or anyone else referred to as "transphobic" in this case I think I'd be dialling my lawyer.

It's an accusation of a hate crime. Or, IMO, a baseless accusation of a hate crime.

[TheBiologyStupid]

@WildIris

This tribunal could form the basis of a TV soap!

It's pretty much fully cast for a ten-part miniseries, judging by the earlier threads! I think we just need Vera Lynn as a WREN?

[vivariumvivariumsvivaria]

I bet the AH, BC and EJ go for a pint tonight and a debrief. IO might go too, but she'll maybe just sit quietly and say nothing.

Am impressed by how much these people keep in their heads.

Horrified by the working environment Allison was in and how appallingly she was treated.

And, I'm genuinely scared that we have seen that SW's creme de la creme are, well, fragile; that people I'd have expected to have an ability to see balance and fairness and accommodate the law just don't see their own bias; and that we came very close to losing a fantastic role model for women, lesbians, women of colour, survivors and for those of us who are all of those things in one package.

What a woman Allison is. No wonder JKR bought her lunch.

[EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn]

Thank you everyone, this has been extraordinary.

And maybe SH is one of our monitors.

[WildIris]

It's pretty much fully cast for a ten-part miniseries, judging by the earlier threads! I think we just need Vera Lynn as a WREN?

Absolutely! Move over LA Law!

[TheBiologyStupid]

vivariumvivariumsvivaria - "I bet the AH, BC and EJ go for a pint tonight and a debrief. IO might go too, but she'll maybe just sit quietly and say nothing."

LOL, yes that's a certainty about IO. Maybe she'll send an immobile hologram?

[ickky]

@WildIris

This tribunal could form the basis of a TV soap!

We have already agreed that it should be a 10 part series on Netflix et al, we have done casting and some of the special effects, we just need the script writers to pull their fingers out now. 😁


Anyway, I'm off for a name change and I will see you all on the 20th June.

Thank you everyone for all your contributions.

❤

[TheBiologyStupid]

@WildIris

It's pretty much fully cast for a ten-part miniseries, judging by the earlier threads! I think we just need Vera Lynn as a WREN?

Absolutely! Move over LA Law!

I'm thinking Silk starring Maxine Peake-Trans...

[Birdsweepsin]

We are on thread 16. And India woowoo has been keeping an eye on us:
twitter.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1529833223873867782?s=20&t=iNE9WN04sELfqKp7hDAVDA

16 threads with some 1000 posts in each, and all you've got is a misquote in a 2018 article in GarStarNews that was mis-remembered?

[IcakethereforeIam]

Just caught up, it's like being in a theatre when the lights come up and you're looking round for your coat. Thank you @ickky, hope @Boiledbeetle you have a good nap, very envious over orange and chocolate support biscuits. Support animals and snacks will be with me to my grave.

All the best to Allison.

[TheBiologyStupid]

Oops, meant to add that we'll need to avoid any scenes of banter down the pub with dodgy solicitors and replace them with innocuous discussions of footie/Mariah Carey in the clerks' room instead.

[GurlwiththeCurl]

Thank you to @ickky and to everyone who has contributed to these amazing threads. I do hope Allison gets the verdict that she deserves.

[Chrysanthemum5]

I realised today what DdM reminded me of - it's the teacher in Charlie Brown. All I heard when he talked was blah blah blah

[IcakethereforeIam]

@awkwardoldlady

yeah you wouldn't want to be associated with the hive of villany that is mumsnet

❤to you all

Mumsnet Eisley.

Some of those witness? If you asked if they wanted coffee, they'd call it transphobic...no hot drinks without the tea.

[ResisterRex]

Ah yes. Mariah was an unexpected highlight. I want her to be referenced in the judgement.

[Chrysanthemum5]

@ResisterRex

Ah yes. Mariah was an unexpected highlight. I want her to be referenced in the judgement.

And GCC's obsession with discussing football with the lower orders.

Overall I think the most annoying witness was MB - she took patronising to a whole new level

[CriticalCondition]

EJ at the very end asked for and AH said he would provide a list of the 119 other members of GCC to add to the two Respondents named as representatives at the moment - Rajiv Menon and Stephanie Harrison who are current heads of chambers.

It's a technical point but does anyone know whether this will be the members at the time of the acts of discrimination back in 2019/2020 or when proceedings were issued or now?

And given that several witnesses talked variously about chambers having 150 - 200 members, does mean that they have fewer than they did or that only some fall into a 'liable' category?

[MissPollysFitDolly]

Thanks ickky and all you posters that have made these threads so informative, interesting and fun. I don't know what I'll do with myself these next few days.

Also a very big thank you to the brave Allison and her legal team, amazing work. Here's hoping for a satisfactory verdict

[TheBiologyStupid]

@Chrysanthemum5

I realised today what DdM reminded me of - it's the teacher in Charlie Brown. All I heard when he talked was blah blah blah

YES! That endless droning. You've nailed it, thanks.

[IdisagreeMrHochhauser]

@ResisterRex

Ah yes. Mariah was an unexpected highlight. I want her to be referenced in the judgement.

We need a whole section on swimming.

For the person asking about summing up, it was said yesterday I think that they were meant to have two days this week to write their closing submissions but they were lost to evidence overruns. So they have a month now to write them but hopefully they'll do the bulk of it tomorrow "while it's fresh".

So no big piss ups tonight. They all have a lot of work to do tomorrow. Expect maybe I 'no questions Madam' O. She'll just submit a few bullet points 😉

[BIWI]

Thank you so much for everyone reporting on the last two weeks. And especially to @ickky

[User237845]

Aww I was bodily in work this afternoon and only caught the last 45 mins or so with the phone propped in the drinkholder in the car (listening, not watching !).

I did hear AH........r say something stage right but couldn't make it out. Sad I missed a rare smile from him and all the chat messages (thanks for starting those, Idisagree). I will miss tuning in with you all and the elusive promise of BC's garden - loved his green wall and art and just the glimpse of green beyond the bi-fold doors - whether it's his office or home, it felt very calm.

Huge good wishes to Allison whose courage and composure have been so inspiring. I'm sure she wouldn't have chosen to be inspirational and would far rather just be working as normal.

Thank you to @ickky for all the Freds. I'll miss all your wit. In many places I have genuinely, literally LOL'd. See you again for the summing up.

[Theeyeballsinthefuckingsky]

Well! Yes like others it’s hard to believe that it’s over. My goodness Alison what a heroine is.

my main take, other than how utterly clueless & incurious so many senior & experienced ppl at GGC, is how when push comes to shove stonewall we’re nowhere to be seen in backing up GCC. Sure they put up some middle ranking ppl as a token but basically Stonewall will take an organisations money but when the shit hits the fan, you won’t see them for dust