Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

😮Surely the cat spittle adds to the flavour.

Well now I need some Jaffa cakes.

I stand corrected lol - lyrics adjusted for accuracy and humor

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a woman with wealth and toast
I've been around for a long, long years

Jaffa Cake

[whispers] I don't actually like Jaffa Cakes

So I didn't really know what was in a Jaffa Cake but they were on bake off once and I felt inspired to try and make them. The sponge was easy enough but who the fuck in their right mind would enjoy trying to get chocolate to set on top of hot jelly. Bloody impossible and just not worth the effort when you can buy a packet for 99p.

Wouldn't that be great? Can you imagine?😀

God, yes. Imagine the judgement being read out on a big screen. It would be worse than a penalty shoot-out.

Well I think that Helen8220 has successfully demonstrated that the patriarchy and male privilege are still going strong

Can't remember who said AH's re-examinations were boring. I found interest in the contrast between the way some witnesses behaved when answering BC & answering AH.

(If it'd been MNers we would've been gazing at BC & then asking him to repeat what he just asked us over & over &... - & then saying, "Oh yeah, whatever," to anything AH said.)

That sounds like my kind of party

We'd also need a giant chat box and a giant keyboard and giant hooks to hoik people away from the keyboard.

"But I just have to tell AHr he still has Twitter all wrong"

toastfairy I like your name and introduction very much.Hurrah,new names for all!

Thank you - I hadn't intended to sour a lovely friendly thread.

Inspired by your name, can anyone tell me why the person who produced the bundle hasn't been told to sort it out by 20th June?

IIRC all 3 legal teams are (liaising & ) producing some chronological thing for EJ. Is that right? Is it an index to the bundle?

Pimp that snack - well remembered.

www.pimpthatsnack.com/project/giant-twix-2/

Giant Support Twix!!

I might attempt one for the 20th.

<thumbs up>

It's easy to start slipping into partisanship - hopefully we can all be friends even if we have differing views on pronouns.

Thank you everybody on both sides for keeping it at diplomatic levels.

Now, Re jaffa cakes- very nice, but the Queen of biscuits is, of course, the Mint Viscount.

<dons tin hat>

<dives behind barricade>

'Tis the Way of the 'Netter

We need a room of requirement that is roughly the size of a pub with a garden where it's guaranteed not to rain.

We can watch it live on screen with wrens performing live and snacks of our choice. We can have real live drinking games for every reference to a phrase that has come to mean so much to us.

The Bluestocking Arms, of course, would be ideal.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4334006-something-old-something-new-something-bluestocking?page=18

What!

You lightweights - depending on the flavour I would wrest a fairy cake from the jaws pf the cat without a second thought.

BC said that he was planning to produce a new bundle as part of his written submission that was in chronological order and it was probably too much to hope that they could produce an agreed bundle and EJG would probably end up with three versions.

And AH interjected to say that this case has been one of great and an unusual amount of co-operation between counsel and he's sure that they can produce an agreed bundle between the three legal teams - one that is better indexed and in the right order at least.

I think AH is remembering fondly of when he couldn't log in and Ben rang him to check all was ok.

I genuinely feel like these are my mates now. I felt a bit like that when I was made redundant and listened to Brexitcast every day and then met Chris Mason at at Any Questions live broadcast and told him I felt like he was my actual friend (he was lovely by the way and didn't run away screaming from the mad stalker).

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus
I take it there will be some kind of charabanc to take us home after all that drinking? Or will we just slump to the floor until we wake the next afternoon morning?

What are the drinking words & phrases going to be?

I thought WE were your mates.😥

I missed BC ringing AH.

thank you muchly I am quite taken with yours too.

Inspired by your name, can anyone tell me why the person who produced the bundle hasn't been told to sort it out by 20th June?

I dunno about you, but if one of my juniors has repeatedly ballsed up what should be a straightforward admin task, and made me look really stupid in front of all of mumsnet, I probably wouldn't be over-keen on them having another stab at it.