Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

From the previous thread
IdisagreeMrHochhauser:
"And then Get the L Out protested at 'Pride in London' (London Pride is a beer Michelle) and obviously lesbians are an affront to decent society."

So, what are the odds of me getting kicked out if I log in to the tribunal tomorrow as LondonPrideIsABeer ?

I'm now using it for my bank card

Don't do that, it's the same for everyone.

Just caught up. Thank you for the threads and commentary!

Main take away from today.... Flipping Heck.

Come to us for all your Equality Barristering Needs...We loathe women, think homosexuality is a crime equivalent to apartheid, don't understand Equalities law and remember absolutely nothing.

😣

For a quick summary of the legal particulars of Allison's case see Tribunal Tweets Substack here:

Legal Summary

The Substack also hosts the threadrolls of each day

Brilliant threads as ever Vipers. :)

(Wine opened some time ago here also).

They don't understand GDPR either, based on the last witness. Ho hum.

thanks everyone but especially ickky. I'm sure it is not a pleasure for Alison, but i think it was / is so useful to get people saying this stuff (almost clearly) under oath.

Utterly incredible stuff.

@Artichokeleaves that's a fair summary!

Is the member of GCC who is trans going to be called as a witness/already been called?

Please do this. I'm in bloody leadership and management training all day so I won't see you being virtually manhandled out of the tribunal though.

And inncase Allison or her supporters are lurking and feeding back- Allison you are a total Goddess. How the hell you mamaged to deal with such open hostility and rage and undermining and basically deal with all that shit that was thrown your way.... You are extraordinary.

Pls excuse typos. Support wine in one hand and support cat in way of laptop on lap.

If it is the door tenant I think you mean then I think the answer is no to both questions.

Brilliant. I vote we get you to direct it. I want to do the screenplay.

Placemarking

Nothing to add, except whoever wrote Mr Hochause

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Is a bloody genius. Actually made me laugh out loud.

Perfect. I pictured it like the teaching scene in Ferris Bueller with all the comatose or sleeping people listening to the droning.

We also need to add in a montage of women all of the country hunting down the backs of their sofas and in the nooks and crannies of their cars for crowd funding money - and then going online (I am picturing at least one in a full dinosaur costume, but recognise this might be tricky with the keyboard and their little t-Rex arms)

I doubt it. The male sexed trans individuals (is that allowed) rarely do sunlight.

As with what we saw at the beginning of the trial. The female sexed trans individuals are the "fall guys".

Because they are guys.

Thank you

It's a bit rich AH complaining about the mispronunciation of his name when poor old DdM got every single variation of de Menezes you could imagine, mostly with far too few syllables, and Hochhauser has been misnamed once in the whole thing.

I was thinking his grumpy barrister persona was an act and now I think it isn't.

Sitting here with my support crisps and G&T wondering if GCC implodes after all this whether a new set or sets will emerge from the ashes. I know it's not a partnership in a legal sense but this case must have created some very deep divisions and the hearing has exposed some pretty unpalatable attitudes to say the least. GCC will be synonymous with those whatever the outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't an exodus and management aren't contemplating a re-branding/re-naming if nothing else.

We also need to add in a montage of women all of the country hunting down the backs of their sofas and in the nooks and crannies of their cars for crowd funding money - and then going online (I am picturing at least one in a full dinosaur costume, but recognise this might be tricky with the keyboard and their little t-Rex arms)

Yes! A woman finds a pound coin in a discarded supermarket trolley and punches the air: “yes! One for Allison!” Another woman checks the pockets of jackets about to go to the charity shop and finds a fiver: “that’s this month’s donation to the crowd funder sorted” etc etc. Each scene intercut with the dinosaur becoming more and more frustrated and then finally - in the immortal words of the viper who roundly put a wannabe mansplainer in his place on a long-ago thread about IT - resorting to bashing the keyboard with her tits.

The one, and so far only one, problem with the film/Netflix mini series is what happens when those in the film get to the bits where we are writing about the film?

Do they do that crossing the barrier thing and look directly into the camera and Ben says "and how did that work out for you?" The problem is that line was from Mayas tribunal!.

We also need to add in a montage of women all of the country hunting down the backs of their sofas and in the nooks and crannies of their cars for crowd funding money - and then going online (I am picturing at least one in a full dinosaur costume, but recognise this might be tricky with the keyboard and their little t-Rex arms)

And one of those cinematic devices where the total raised is overlaid on the screen picture and you see the number ratchet up and up.

@CriticalCondition this could still be the death of them!

To think this all started because they were concerned about their reputation, and now they are literally going theo be written about in history books for being on the wrong side of history!

Meh! Serves them right quite frankly!

For people who claim to be all about the human rights they've not got a firm grip on sex or sexual orientation (or race) as protected characteristics have they?