Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't an exodus and management aren't contemplating a re-branding/re-naming if nothing else.

The Morpheus Set? Lethe Chambers? Lethe is aka Ameles potamos (river of unmindfulness).

I think remote hearings are a huge leap for open justice. It looks like hard work for EJG and she definitely deserves a big bottle of gin at the end, whatever they decide.

I've just caught up after a very busy day at work, which was busy because I have a rare day off tomorrow that was booked months ago for a reason that doesnt exist any more and I decided to keep anyway it as a random 'me day'

I was logging in keen to find out how MB had got on. Imagine my delight this evening that not only have I not missed it but due to the day off I can also give it my full attention tomorrow.

Aim higher, take in a support dragon. 🐉

Oh my. I’m never going to get caught up, there just aren’t enough hours in the day 😩

I could however do with some kind of support animal/vegetable/mineral to take in with me. Suggestions welcome.

Couldn't you just take your mother and the dog @katmarie?

Even more shit than usual will be getting done by women before 9am tomorrow.

It's like getting to the end of a boxset.

There are episodes, a narrative arc, interesting characters, laughs, emotional engagement...

Doesn't Lethe make you forget everything?

That does seem to be the done thing these days. Also seems less tricky than securing a dragon fruit, or an actual dragon. Amazon prime letting me down there!

@ifIwerenotanandroid
Luckily we'll be treated to a special extra episode in June when they do their summing up. If I've understood what the judge said earlier today.

And then just when we've forgotten who fought with who and why, the judgement turns up like a Doctor Who christmas special.

@Boiledbeetle I think so. An epilogue?

Excellent summary. BC earned his salary today.

Oh my - serious cat tree envy at the Rolls Royce of cat trees 🙀

@Baystard "Couldn't you just take your mother and the dog" or if they are gender ideology type employers your dad and your cat. It's literally the same thing!

@oviraptor21 "Oh my - serious cat tree envy at the Rolls Royce of cat trees"

Alas I also have cat tree envy, I nicked the photo off the internet. The shame!!

I like it. Do we have money in the special effects budget to do the morphing face thingy (technical term) where her young girl face turns into her adult face?

@ifIwerenotanandroid or it could be one of those crossover type episodes setting it up for Sarah's case against the rape crisis centre

I don't think we can watch that as Sarah understandably wants to remain anonymous.

Thanks for the new thread ickky, and thanks to everyone else for the brilliant commentary.

@ickky we could always crowdfund 🤣

the immortal words of the viper who roundly put a wannabe mansplainer in his place on a long-ago thread about IT - resorting to bashing the keyboard with her tits.

Pg 2: Oh thank GOD you're here! Thank you SO much. I've been using these magic boxes for over 20 years without a CLUE what I'm doing. I remember when the demon known as the internet came into my house. you'd have been about 5 back then. I have been keeping the evil at bay with chicken legs and candles. Thank goodness you've arrived.

Back when my job involved working on these machines all day, I just bashed them with my tits and hoped for the best.

I'm not actually sure how I managed to get on here, tbh. I was dusting it one day and all this stuff appeared.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/parenting/2307274-I-am-everything-you-hate-about-people-on-the-internet-I-am-here-to-help?pg=1

Cutted up pears.
Sex lube and a fish slice.
Bashing keyboards.

<misty-eyed for all the MN Classics being brought up here and still relevant>

<waiting in hope for just the right moment for the dolphin thread>

@ickky good point. I really hope she doesn't get to trial point though. I'm hoping they do the right thing way before that!

There is another employment hearing beginning in December for a social worker who was reported for posting about reform of the Gender Recognition Act on a private Facebook Group. Someone took screenshots and reported her to Social Work England. Her name is Rachel Meade. Maybe we could all get behind her once this hearing is finished.