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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

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ickky · 25/05/2022 16:40

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

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WookeyHole · 26/05/2022 11:23

Good grief. She uses WhatsApp

Zeugma · 26/05/2022 11:23

WookeyHole · 26/05/2022 11:20

Yes I am too @Zeugma !

It's all about Insta (with an occasional reference to TikTok).

Mentioning Twitter however is tolerated, whereas Facebook is social death.

I’m on Instagram, does that mean I’m accidentally up-to-date?? <faints>

MB seems to have been aware of an awful lot of tweets for someone who doesn’t understand Twitter and isn’t on it, doesn’t she?

Chrysanthemum5 · 26/05/2022 11:23

Thank you for the bundle link

Zeugma · 26/05/2022 11:25

Keeping the answers snappy went well.

Ms Omambala and RMW have been frozen for AGES.

tabbycatstripy · 26/05/2022 11:25

(Right, am going to have a break from making vague and occasional comments about what is being said.)

Ameanstreakamilewide · 26/05/2022 11:25

Zeugma · 26/05/2022 11:25

Keeping the answers snappy went well.

Ms Omambala and RMW have been frozen for AGES.

Their camera freezes a lot!

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/05/2022 11:26

Zeugma · 26/05/2022 11:25

Keeping the answers snappy went well.

Ms Omambala and RMW have been frozen for AGES.

Waiting for a cat to wander across their desk, as in that TV ad for kitchens.

SilverMirrors · 26/05/2022 11:26

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 26/05/2022 11:18

I'm not clear why MB's clients - she specialised in immigration and asylum - would feel unsafe in a space shared by gender critical feminists?
The suggestion could be made that since MB's clients are traumatised, her female clients in particular MIGHT be more likely to share AB's support for single-sex vulnerable spaces, rather than MB's support for vulnerable spaces inclusive of self-id transwomen. Hence perhaps it would be MB's views making them feel unsafe, not AB's.

Exactly. And how many of these clients were there? And how many would give a shit about Twitter?

dworky · 26/05/2022 11:26

She is simply incapable of giving a straight answer, irrespective of question.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 26/05/2022 11:27

Ms Omambala and RMW have been frozen for AGES.

Maybe they're just asleep 😂

NoCureForLove · 26/05/2022 11:27

I've joined live for first time this morning. SO EXCITING!
Can see the fabulous Sarah Philimore is watching too...

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 26/05/2022 11:28

Zeugma · 26/05/2022 11:25

Keeping the answers snappy went well.

Ms Omambala and RMW have been frozen for AGES.

And you're absolutely certain that it's them, not a picture?

TheBiologyStupid · 26/05/2022 11:28

Such a long time ago.

Signalbox · 26/05/2022 11:28

NoCureForLove · 26/05/2022 11:27

I've joined live for first time this morning. SO EXCITING!
Can see the fabulous Sarah Philimore is watching too...

It's an all star audience :D

Gabcsika · 26/05/2022 11:29

MB is just BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

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WookeyHole · 26/05/2022 11:29

Thread is almost full!

MB has an easy face to read in terms of remembered visual memories (looking up to the left) and making things up/scrabbling for things to say (eyes move to top right). Textbook.

Boiledbeetle · 26/05/2022 11:29

thread 15 is up, can someone more technical than me put the ink up? please

WallaceinAnderland · 26/05/2022 11:29

MB Couldn't talk to any barristers, particularly criminal barristers as they are never in chambers during the day.

But Allison is a threat to transwomen in chambers during the day is she?

Boiledbeetle · 26/05/2022 11:30

oops crossed with @ickky

GAHgamel · 26/05/2022 11:30

@Boiledbeetle you crossed with @ickky

katmarie · 26/05/2022 11:30

The interview went well, I have to do another one though, despite being obviously brilliant, I have to persuade someone more senior that I am also brilliant too, so world domination is on hold temporarily to allow me to tune in and catch up.

ickky · 26/05/2022 11:31

katmarie · 26/05/2022 11:30

The interview went well, I have to do another one though, despite being obviously brilliant, I have to persuade someone more senior that I am also brilliant too, so world domination is on hold temporarily to allow me to tune in and catch up.

Well done.

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GAHgamel · 26/05/2022 11:31

Well done @katmarie , and good luck with the next one.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 26/05/2022 11:32

katmarie · 26/05/2022 11:30

The interview went well, I have to do another one though, despite being obviously brilliant, I have to persuade someone more senior that I am also brilliant too, so world domination is on hold temporarily to allow me to tune in and catch up.

Well done, & all the best for the next time.

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