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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

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ickky · 25/05/2022 16:40

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

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ClocheEncounter · 25/05/2022 16:41

Can't wait for MB tomorrow. Thanks ickky!

nauticant · 25/05/2022 16:41

Thanks again. These are filling up quickly. Looking forward to what's happening tomorrow you'll soon need to have thread 15 lined up.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 16:42

Has there ever been a topic like this spread out over this many threads??

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 16:43

Thanks @ickky

ickky · 25/05/2022 16:44

nauticant · 25/05/2022 16:41

Thanks again. These are filling up quickly. Looking forward to what's happening tomorrow you'll soon need to have thread 15 lined up.

On it. 😁I think I better have 16 ready as well as I predict a lot of outrage tomorrow.

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awkwardoldlady · 25/05/2022 16:45

today was my first day watching can I use the same pin again tomorrow, or do I need to ask for a new one?

[sorry I'm sure someone has already said]

Wimbunds · 25/05/2022 16:45

Thanks again (and again!) Ickky x

Gabcsika · 25/05/2022 16:45

Tomorrow is basically when Stonewall go on trial, isn't it?

I think DdM helped a great deal setting BC up for that today.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/05/2022 16:45

Thanks Iccky.

Re someone on thread 13 saying that non-downloadable stuff will be lost: might it not be (would you agree with me😂) that when the judgement is published, the juicy bits may well be quoted in it? Or is there some legal reason why this cannot be done?

ickky · 25/05/2022 16:46

I really liked Mr Reuby's question today.

SO DDM Just how deep did you delve into Dick Warlock and The President of the Dik and Dom Club?

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Gabcsika · 25/05/2022 16:46

awkwardoldlady · 25/05/2022 16:45

today was my first day watching can I use the same pin again tomorrow, or do I need to ask for a new one?

[sorry I'm sure someone has already said]

Yes, everything you have been sent will be the same.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/05/2022 16:46

awkwardoldlady · 25/05/2022 16:45

today was my first day watching can I use the same pin again tomorrow, or do I need to ask for a new one?

[sorry I'm sure someone has already said]

Same pin every time.

BoreOfWhabylon · 25/05/2022 16:46

Thanks @ickky

ickky · 25/05/2022 16:48

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/05/2022 16:45

Thanks Iccky.

Re someone on thread 13 saying that non-downloadable stuff will be lost: might it not be (would you agree with me😂) that when the judgement is published, the juicy bits may well be quoted in it? Or is there some legal reason why this cannot be done?

I "think" you can paraphrase. IANAL

@awkwardoldlady The same link and pin can be used until the end of the hearing on the 27th May.

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Penguintears · 25/05/2022 16:50

Is the whole of Friday for summing up?

Appalonia · 25/05/2022 16:50

Today has been sooo dull, thanks everyone for brightening it up!

nauticant · 25/05/2022 16:50

Well, with my pedantry hat (which is always) on:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)

As ever @ickky, thanks.

Birdsweepsin · 25/05/2022 16:50

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/05/2022 16:46

Same pin every time.

I'm now using it for my bank card

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2022 16:53

Thanks @ickky !

Birdsweepsin · 25/05/2022 16:53

Useful list of the speakers at the inaugural TELI conference here. Includes Brewer and Harrison:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3374926-What-influence-does-TELI-have-on-government-public-services-and-charities-policies-Co-founders-include-Jess-Bradley-Tara-Hewitt-and-Michelle-Hudson

Signalbox · 25/05/2022 16:53

.

ickky · 25/05/2022 16:54

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 16:42

Has there ever been a topic like this spread out over this many threads??

I don't know.

Much of it is my waffling nonsense though.

It really would have been better and easier for everyone to follow for someone who is better informed and quicker WPM type speed to have done these threads. <eyes @tabbycatstripy> 😀

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Birdsweepsin · 25/05/2022 16:54

Birdsweepsin · 25/05/2022 16:53

Oh and LouHoo

ickky · 25/05/2022 16:56

nauticant · 25/05/2022 16:50

Well, with my pedantry hat (which is always) on:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)

As ever @ickky, thanks.

Missed that, I have corrected it for the next thread. Thank you.

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Boiledbeetle · 25/05/2022 17:00

I am shattered after actually watching today. Those of you watching from the start must be due a two weeks holiday of nothing but sleep!

Must go and do my online shop so i have snacks for tomorrow, as I suspect one of the cats licked my fairy cakes earlier.

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