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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

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ickky · 25/05/2022 11:31

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

OP posts:
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dworky · 25/05/2022 11:49

Appalonia · 25/05/2022 11:47

God what a boring and monotone voice this guy has. I actually nodded off during his testimony!

Just got home but have been listening on earphones(muffs) on phone & his slow toneless drawl has driven me to distraction.

nauticant · 25/05/2022 11:49

We're back to twitter storm and the implication that kneejerking was the most appropriate way for GCC to react.

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 11:50

Any tweet can be risky. Yes, you numpty, which is why you think very very carefully about what your company tweets and retweets

TeenPlusCat · 25/05/2022 11:50

Thank you for new thread and all for ongoing commentary.

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:50

Dick and dom!

corlan · 25/05/2022 11:50

DDM has charisn'tma.

tabbycatstripy · 25/05/2022 11:50

‘Disreputable profiles.’

Dick and Dom.

oviraptor21 · 25/05/2022 11:51

Mumsnut · 25/05/2022 11:47

IS IT THE WREN??

More like a hawk or parrot perhaps, difficult to tell from fleeting glimpses - but rear view.

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 11:52

'I don't recall'
Squeeze, squeeze, squeeze...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/05/2022 11:52

Amused at BC reading out some Dick and Dom fan troll's tweet

Gabcsika · 25/05/2022 11:53

Hang on, So this Kai.... DDM says this person wrote into the chambers, but he doesn't remember seeing the profile.

How does that work then?

Redshoeblueshoe · 25/05/2022 11:53

thanks for the new thread ickky

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 11:53

The picture looks like a peregrine falcon...

dworky · 25/05/2022 11:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/05/2022 11:52

Amused at BC reading out some Dick and Dom fan troll's tweet

BOGEYS

tabbycatstripy · 25/05/2022 11:53

Dick Warlock is back!

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:54

BC reading out the Twitter handles 😂😂😂

StrongOutspokenOftenIrritating · 25/05/2022 11:54

More Dick Warlock

Zeugma · 25/05/2022 11:54

oviraptor21 · 25/05/2022 11:51

More like a hawk or parrot perhaps, difficult to tell from fleeting glimpses - but rear view.

It reminded me very much of the cover illustration of 'H is for Hawk', but it’s not quite that (yes, I was sad enough to google). But it does look like some sort of raptor.

TheBiologyStupid · 25/05/2022 11:55

BC: "Contemporaneous, Mr deMenezes". There goes that pathetic weaselly waffle.

"Dick Warlock" gets another shout out!

CriticalCondition · 25/05/2022 11:55

I've just realised who his voice reminds me of. Uncle Colm in Derry Girls.

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:55

Have we established what the reputational damage is yet?

WallaceinAnderland · 25/05/2022 11:56

DDM claims twitter user 'I don't mind Dick but I prefer Dom' from some island in Sweden could cause a legitimate reputational risk to GCC.

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 25/05/2022 11:56

I finally got a Dick Warlock!

I think this witness's strategy is to bore us all into submission.........

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2022 11:56

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 11:50

Any tweet can be risky. Yes, you numpty, which is why you think very very carefully about what your company tweets and retweets

Such as not just retweeting Alex Sharpe's 'Terf' tweets without checking what the word means first.

pardonmytits · 25/05/2022 11:57

Picking up from the worry about being seen/heard in the last thread, I have no shame - Ben’s been everywhere with me this past week. He even joined me in the trampoline park yesterday morning 😂

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