Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

🤣

Lucky it's time for a break!

AH insinuating BC is waffling and his questions don't make sense.

EJG begs to differ.

starts making placard

Maybe that's the idea? 'Look into my eyes, not around my eyes, but into my eyes' etc etc. Or the snake in Jungle Book?

Check your inbox for instructions. These were posted for how to archive the old-style Mumsnet site. You would have to try them out to see if the new site works the same way.

EJG is brilliant at cutting to the nub of the matter. AH's face of befuddlement was a picture until she zeroed in and nailed the question.

Keir Starmer has done quite well with zero charisma.

I genuinely LOL'd at that

It's quite a sight to behold and I've only watched a tiny bit as I'm catching up with work on a different tab

DdM says he has done careful analysis - of the 817 critical replies - responding to AB's launch tweet.

BC asks obvious question re corresponding analysis of the GCC response tweet.

DdM doesn't understand.

EJ has to ask DdM did you also do analysis of replies to GCC response tweet.

DR: no, I didn't

[Time passes.]

BC and EJ trying to get a simple response from DdM and finally succeed. AH QC still saying he doesn't understand the question.

Maybe someone has had a word with him.

😂Iconic MN post!!

@WomensLandArmy

It can't be any dafter than when i recently tried to take up the hem in a pair of trousers.
I bought the Wonderweb stuff, watched a wee YT video of how to use it.
So far, so good.

But, no - the trousers weren't actually inside out. So i've basically ruined a decent pair of work trousers. 😩

I find it astonishing that some of the QCs and panel do not understand twitter. How can a QC defend if he doesn't understand and how can a panel make a judgement if they don't understand. It's central to the case, surely they should have been more informed. Also, can be that unusual in other cases.

EJ has understood how Twitter works following BC's EezyGuide explanation. AH hasn't.

New Eye has just come. Excellent front cover, but not had a chance to look inside yet.

Oh, it will rumble on a bit.

"I have seen an excellent letter which a friend is sending to Temple Garden Chambers; and when adjusted, to The Bar Council complaining about Catherine McGahey driving a coach and horses through the PCs of Race, Sexual Orientation and Sex.

CM is obviously not fit to practice."

twitter.com/scrumpyh3/status/1529391603189788674?s=20&t=Sa-jL6gK2TjuTl9OW68oZw

I've broken into the 'For Emergency Use Only' support chocolate. I need the sugar rush.

Keir Starmer is incredibly dynamic in comparison.

You were obviously there!

f course, with you being a woman they won't have seen you sitting there in the room taking detailed notes.

There are benefits to being invisible. 😁

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Oh god yes, I am so invisible now that recently my own DP walked past me in the supermarket without noticing.

WallaceinAnderland · Today 11:34

I find it astonishing that some of the QCs and panel do not understand twitter. How can a QC defend if he doesn't understand and how can a panel make a judgement if they don't understand. It's central to the case, surely they should have been more informed. Also, can be that unusual in other cases.

I was wondering this - surely the Tribunal NEED to get a good understanding of the tech and the issues before the case starts? Surely to not do so is akin to having a burglary case and the parties have to explain the concept of personal property and theft to the judge during the course of the hearing?

We are nearly there.

The info on archiving is very useful.

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