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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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ickky · 24/05/2022 13:16

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

OP posts:
LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 11:25

Oh excellent choice ickky

MissPollysFitDolly · 25/05/2022 11:26

He does that eye thing when he's stuck.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2022 11:26

What's EJ asking?

oviraptor21 · 25/05/2022 11:26

I my goodness - the eyes

👀👀👀👀👀👀

tabbycatstripy · 25/05/2022 11:27

EJ wanted to know whether DDM conducted the same analysis of their own responsive tweets and the reaction to those on Twitter as he did of AB’s tweets, I think?

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:27

It is easy to scape across Twitter. He should know that.

Lougle · 25/05/2022 11:27

If you right click the webpage of this thread, then click 'print' then 'save as PDF', you'll get a complete PDF of the thread. This thread runs to 241 A4 pages, so far.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 25/05/2022 11:28

Thanks Tabby!

EJ sounds excellent.

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:28

Reputation issues- what would those be I wonder?

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 11:28

Her tweet had a lot of support, so that means it's going to negatively impact our reputation, even though we are neutral on GC/Trans debate?

Zeugma · 25/05/2022 11:29

DDM says he couldn’t analyse the independent tweets approving of Allison setting up the LGBA. Effectively, 'that would be an ecumenical matter' 😂

Lougle · 25/05/2022 11:29

EJ: "I think the answer is yes!"

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:29

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 11:28

Her tweet had a lot of support, so that means it's going to negatively impact our reputation, even though we are neutral on GC/Trans debate?

Yes exactly

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:29

AH is just not getting this Twitter stuff.

DdM doesn't understand how to answer a question.

StrongOutspokenOftenIrritating · 25/05/2022 11:29

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:27

It is easy to scape across Twitter. He should know that.

He’s hoping the tribunal doesn’t.

oviraptor21 · 25/05/2022 11:29

EJ intervenes - so the answer is yes!

And BC says he doesn't need the explanation, just the answer of yes!

Birdsweepsin · 25/05/2022 11:29

oviraptor21 · 25/05/2022 11:26

I my goodness - the eyes

👀👀👀👀👀👀

Action Man Eagle Eyes

nauticant · 25/05/2022 11:29

Getting this "yes" out of DDM when it's true but he just doesn't want to say it is good theatre.

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:30

His mode of delivery is sending me to sleep

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:30

DdM could be a politician in terms of not answering a question.... except he doesn't have the charisma.

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 11:30

Bugger, just realised I'm concentrating so hard that I've sewn DS2's badge on the back of his cub jumper.

OP posts:
ResisterRex · 25/05/2022 11:31

It's a yes

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:31

Finally. We have a straight answer. Yes. There were independent tweets in support of the LGB Alliance.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/05/2022 11:31

Having a wonderful 'explaining the internet to your Granny' moment there.

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