Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

Well maybe if you don't understand, you shouldn't tweet about it. It's not difficult.

When was the Harry Millar case? I think that was 2019. Judge Knowles was well aware that TERF referred to a slur wasn't he. There is no way that all these people were unaware that TERF was a slur. Especially a trans activist like AS.

The ers and ums are becoming longer and more frequent.

I am dying. How is this man Director of Communications??

His voice is driving me mad, Zeguma. I'm dozing off.

When was the Harry Millar case? I think that was 2019. Judge Knowles was well aware that TERF referred to a slur wasn't he.

Yes it was, and he was. I think the judgment was in early 2020

Shout out for Get the L Out 👏

DDM didn’t know the word Terf was a slur.I find that hard to believe, you only have to read any sentence with TERF in it to get the meaning

DdM witness statement makes his commitment to diversity and inclusion very clear. He is trying to distance himself from the reality that this commitment (carried out uncritically) represents partiality in the trans rights debate, and that he promoted this view on behalf of his employer. Disingenuous.

Also still very unclear who was responsible for signing off and then renewing the relationship with Stonewall? Didn’t the barristers hold marketing responsible for that? He suggests he was asked to do it by some of the barristers in the family team (but doesn’t name them).

I wish we could record this. Baby is falling asleep to it.

Yes it does if you are a corporate account, stop insulting people's intelligence.

Anything AS says is a-ok. 🤨

DDM agrees that GCC retweets a tweet calling lesbians transphobic in relation to Get the L Out.

I can't recall, it was (so very very very) long ago...

Please get this man some voice training. And while that’s happening, get the tribunal officials (apart from BC) onto a Twitter For Beginners course.

It's laughable. The idea that they would have tweeted out something that they didn't agree with.

Is 'it was an email group' on the Bingo card?

BC: not a single account of any GC views on GCC twitter.

If you want to "start a debate" you need to say that in a quote tweet. You can't just retweet controversial things and expect people at large, your customers and potential customers, to think your corporate position is impartial. This needs to be picked up on if no one understands Twitter.

Use the search function, DMD!

DdM: Neither I nor whoever it was in my marketing/communications team dealing with Alex Sharpe's tweet would have known what 'terf' meant [so we just carried on retweeting stuff]

The level of incuriousity among GCC staff - although only in specific areas - is astonishing.

BC: not a single example in GCC tweets mentioning/supporting GC views.

DdM: Don't know without doing serious analysis. [Wouldn't he have done this before coming to tribunal?]

Oh god, I'm in for the first time but the stress of wondering if I'm audible and visible is IMMENSE. I want to boil the kettle but don't want to throw Ben off his stride, so am tiptoeing around like a criminal.

What's going on with DdM's eyes?

"Retweets are not endorsements" is a disclaimer that no one pays any attention to.

He's basically admitting that tweets are not GC because chambers was overwhelmingly TRA