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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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ickky · 24/05/2022 13:16

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

OP posts:
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 25/05/2022 11:17

Is this man drugged?

I've seen people talk like this as they come round from anaesthetic.

Or if they are trying to avoid answering a question which might incriminate them.

tabbycatstripy · 25/05/2022 11:18

He’s a PR guy. He’s going to say as little as he can.

WallaceinAnderland · 25/05/2022 11:18

EJ clarifying that MB tweets to DDM referred to have not been disclosed.

Zeugma · 25/05/2022 11:18

Is it just me or do there seem to be some pretty desperate ploys to avoid answering questions here? 'Oh, I though the judge was just about to speak' - really??

tabbycatstripy · 25/05/2022 11:18

EJ notes that evidence of MB sending AB’s tweets to DdM has not been disclosed.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 25/05/2022 11:19

Mmmnotsure · 25/05/2022 11:16

DdM: I can't recall. Rinse and repeat.

DdM is speaking. so. slowly. he. is. going. to grind. to. a. complete. halt. soon.

All his energy is being taken up by his eyes.

😂

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:19

Haha at shower and kettles. I have been known to take the tribunal to the loo with me but I leave the laptop by the door facing away from me. No-one has fainted yet.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 11:19

Do we know why they haven't been disclosed?

ickky · 25/05/2022 11:19

Did anyone catch who else is going to on this afternoon? I want to update the dramatic person for the next thread.😀

OP posts:
IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:20

Somebody Cronin

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:20

'It's OK WinterTrees, I took Ben into the bathroom with me the other day, when I needed a shower.'

Ben has been everywhere in my house - curtesy of wireless headphones

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:20

Kathryn Cronin - GCC

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 11:21

BC has kept me company on the train several times.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:21

She looks fun

www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/pdf/95/garden-court-chambers-kathryn-cronin.pdf

BemoreBen · 25/05/2022 11:21

He's done preparation for this case?! It doesn't show!

WinterTrees · 25/05/2022 11:21

Pyjamagame · 25/05/2022 11:16

It's OK WinterTrees, I took Ben into the bathroom with me the other day, when I needed a shower.

Nerves of steel, Pyjama, NERVES OF STEEL.

StrongOutspokenOftenIrritating · 25/05/2022 11:22

Pre prepared speech here

ickky · 25/05/2022 11:23

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:21

She does, I have already casted Stephanie Cole from Man Down.

OP posts:
IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:24

Stephanie Cole looks to be perfect.

Bosky · 25/05/2022 11:24

I must stop Liking/Hearting Tweets to "Bookmark" them! 😬

The Twitter "Heart" used to be a "Star" meaning "Bookmark", ie. totally neutral, and I have never got around to training myself to use the new "Bookmark" function instead of the "Heart".

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:24

I don't understand the question. Bingo!

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 11:24

'I don't understand the question' Bingo

WomensLandArmy · 25/05/2022 11:25

@Chilling19 Spooky

chilling19 · 25/05/2022 11:25

Cross post!

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 25/05/2022 11:25

Ooh EJG asking a direct question. She doesn't do that often.

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