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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) I have noticed here

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heresyandwitchcraft · 14/08/2018 17:21

Hello! Are you new? I am still pretty new, myself. Mumsnet can be hard to navigate.
Here are some commonly asked questions I’ve seen asked on the feminist board, with links to threads. Please have a look at these, as many of the regular posters will have likely covered your question in-depth before. I am hoping they don't mind me creating another basic FAQ, that can hopefully be added-to. Remember that this board is not a monolith (even though it might appear to be such), although the majority of posters do seem to have a clearly gender-critical slant, where feminism is centered around biological females. Centering females is also known as radical feminism - because the radical part refers to going back to the "root" of female oppression (which in such feminist theory is the female body).
These FAQs will be heavily related to the "transgender debate" because that is a hot topic right now.

What is the definition of "trans" that is typically used in this forum?
It is Stonewall's:
An umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.
www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms#t

You will notice that it does not specify only individuals who have gender dysphoria (discomfort with their own body/sex), but includes cross-dressers and those whose feelings are fluid. This is different from the classical term "transsexual," which refers to people with a medical condition named "gender dysphoria," which can only be alleviated by permanently inhabiting the social role of the opposite sex and potentially undergoing medication and surgery in order to achieve this. So the current trans umbrella has been significantly widened and now includes people who have no discomfort with their bodies but simply "identify as" another gender.

It is worth remembering that the definition of "transitioning" now is also very loose. Stonewall defines it like this:
The steps a trans person may take to live in the gender with which they identify. Each person’s transition will involve different things. For some this involves medical intervention, such as hormone therapy and surgeries, but not all trans people want or are able to have this. Transitioning also might involve things such as telling friends and family, dressing differently and changing official documents.

So there is no set definition for transitioning. This could be as simple as wearing a different set of clothes, changing one's name or pronoun.

Under these definitions, the following people are to be considered fully women, just like any female:
Danielle Muscato:
www.daniellemuscato.com/
Ibi-Pippi Hedegaard:

Alex Drummond (who identifies as Lesbian and is on the Trans advisory panel of Stonewall): www.stonewall.org.uk/trans-advisory-group www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3275432-Why-does-Stonewalls-definition-of-Transgender-trump-all-others-and-does-it-really

Material that serves a useful place to start to understand the gender-critical feminist perspective:
Rebecca Reilly-Cooper
sexandgenderintro.com/
Kathleen Stock
medium.com/@kathleenstock
Magdalen Berns
www.youtube.com/channel/UCvTTakI97sQ4SkMnsH8r0qQ
SAGES Fact-sheet
sages.org.uk/publications/sages-factsheet.html

What is up with the “transgender debate,” why are feminists protesting?
START HERE: “Break it down for me” is a very good introduction (best I have seen) with plenty of links to other beginner’s resources
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me
A short and snappy summary by Datun
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3175666-Want-to-know-why-women-are-livid-trans-thread?pg=1
“A Beginners guide to the transgender debate” is EXCELLENT, with signposting to a whole bunch of relevant material covering specific subjects (I have basically shamelessly ripped off that post - sorry DJ)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3246322-A-Beginners-Guide-to-the-Transgender-Debate-A-Signpost-to-Useful-Mumsnet-Threads?pg=1

What are some female-rights organisations that are looking into this issue?
fairplayforwomen.com/
womansplaceuk.org/
manfridayuk.org/

“Trans women are women”? Why is self-ID into the category “woman” so troublesome for some feminists?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3122473--Transwomen-are-women
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3170708-If-youre-pro-Self-ID-for-trans-people-please-could-you-explain-it-to-me?pg=1
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3297719-self-ID-sinnlos

Why do women care about the definition of woman?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3296831-Can-we-talk-about-the-mental-impact-of-being-told-the-definition-of-woman-is-changing

People with cervixes – why are women protesting against dropping the word “woman” to refer to female anatomy in public health?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3277806-Cancer-Research-anyone-with-a-cervix

What’s the issue with “cis”?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323848-Could-we-reclaim-cis

Why is “TERF” considered a slur?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330245-Abuse-of-GC-women-on-twitter-be-warned-graphic-disturbing
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330285-Woke-guy-that-did-that-terfs-are-trash-song-accused-of-sex-crimes
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3040706-TERF-isnt-just-a-slur-its-hate-speech
terfisaslur.com/
The “science of gender identity”?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331998-The-science-of-transgender-gender-identity?pg=1

A discussion on misgendering:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3334275-Misgendering

Why is the argument “trans women are women, just like black women” considered to be so offensive?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3326391-Why-do-TRAs-keep-using-black-women-when-defending-TWAW

“Don’t most feminists support trans people?”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327679-vast-majority-of-feminists-trans
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327466-People-apparently-support-trans?pg=1&messages=25

What about intersex?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3305291-Trans-activsims-appropriation-of-intersex

Why the fixation on toilets?
A perennial favourite. This subject has been discussed multiple times.
Here are some relevant threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3330297-Museum-of-London-why-female-only-toilets-were-so-important
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3322488-GRC-and-Toilets?pg=1
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329936-teen-films-girl-in-toilet

What about women’s prisons?
Fair Play for Women: fairplayforwomen.com/prisons/

Recent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3334473-BBC-reality-check-on-trans-prisoners
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3309758-This-never-happens-male-offenders-in-female-prisons

What about women’s shelters?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3158576-Women-s-Aid-considers-employing-self-declared-transwomen-i-e-men-in-womens-shelters
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325247-Stonewall-report-into-domestic-and-violent-services

What about transgender children?
The first port of call should be:
gids.nhs.uk/
A gender-critical parent view is represented by:
www.transgendertrend.com/

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3265524-Transgender-Trend-Crowdfunder-suspended?pg=1
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317880-Parents-who-wont-affirm-8-yr-old-gender-change-being-referred-to-social-services
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3280972-Rapid-Onset-of-Gender-Dysphoria-in-Adolescents-and-Young-Adults-a-Descriptive-Study
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318996-Excellent-counter-view-to-ROGD

Why are lesbians protesting?
Magdalen on "Are Genital Preferences Transphobic?"

Trans activism and the lesbian community www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3146166-Transactivism-and-the-lesbian-community

London Pride 2018 protests: Get the L Out
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301033-Get-the-L-Out-Statement-by-the-lesbian-protesters-at-Pride-London

An introduction to the “cotton ceiling”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3294339-cotton-ceiling-evidence-thread

What about women’s sports?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3324477-Transwomen-in-sport-I-need-sources-re-their-advantage

What's going on with the Girl Guides?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2832114-This-puts-me-off-Girl-Guides
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314566-another-girlguiding-update

What is the difference between transsexuals and the current understanding of transgender ideology? Why are some trans people against the ideas being espoused by some trans activists?
Rose of Dawn
www.youtube.com/user/AshleeK9
Debbie Hayton
debbiehayton.wordpress.com/
Miranda Yardley
mirandayardley.com/en/

What are the protected categories in the Equality Act?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3327711-Has-Transgender-replaced-Gender-Reassignment-in-protected-characteristics-of-Equality-Act

Why is self-ID/reform of the Gender Recognition Act considered controversial?
fairplayforwomen.com/full_guide/
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3188687-impact-of-self-id-on-equality-act
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3198512-Help-me-be-clear-about-the-GRA-Equality-Act-Exemptions

What can I do if I am concerned about this issue?
Links to consultations
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318003-Bringing-your-MUST-DO-WOMENS-RIGHTS-consultations-together-with-links-and-timelines-thread
Other actions
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329362-Get-offline

Why are women protesting self-identifying trans women taking places on all-women’s shortlists?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3136891-Transwomen-should-be-considered-for-all-women-shortlist-Guardian
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3329447-People-Who-Oppose-Trans-Rights-Have-No-Place-In-Labour-Says-The-First-LGBT-Mayoral-Adviser?pg=1

How has the gender debate evolved, from the gender-critical perspective?
This “Greatest hits” thread is illustrative
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3318916-Gender-Critical-Greatest-Hits
Also this:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3317032-Using-women-as-human-shields
And a discussion around the silencing of gender-critical voices
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3273966-Twitter-banning-accounts-that-deadname-Ian-Huntley-is-not-using-his-female-name-hate-speech-now
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3262965-Good-article-today-BBC-on-the-twitter-ban-on-womens-free-speech-on-trans-issues?pg=1

“Feminism is about equality” or the related “Is feminism for men?”
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3331306-Feminism-is-equality
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3332894-Can-a-man-teach-feminism

Are we evil?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301684-Are-we-the-baddies

Are you alone in your gender-critical thoughts?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3291425-Gender-Critical-Lurkers
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3277047-I-am-S-p-a-r-t-a-c-u-s

Are you affected by marital difficulties related to trans issues?
You’re not alone
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

Who is Jess Bradley and why is this individual important?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321764-Jess-Bradley-suspended-Part-II
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3325623-Jess-Bradley-a-government-advisor-on-womens-rights-suspended-by-NUS-over-indecent-blog-Part-iii
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3323623-Who-is-really-funding-Jess-Bradleys-defence

What are some of the theories about the funding of the trans activist movement?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3328210-Follow-the-money-who-is-funding-the-US-transborg

Why is the feminist board so careful?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3321127-public-service-announcement

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heresyandwitchcraft · 22/08/2018 21:54

Gender roles in nursery?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3343152-Nursery-tells-couple-to-dress-daughter-more-girly-news-story-reaction

Confused about something but somewhat intimidated by posting on the feminism board?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3343374-confused-none-feminist-feminist

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Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 22/08/2018 23:23

Bumping!

heresyandwitchcraft · 23/08/2018 11:23

Transwoman files complaints against salons for their inability to perform waxes on male genitalia?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344123-Transwoman-blazes-a-trail-across-British-Columbia-to-force-salons-to-give-Brazillian-wax-filing-human-rights-complaints-against-15-separate-salons

Steven Crowder debates trans activist Julie Rei Goldstein?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3341871-debate-steven-crowder-v-transactivist-julie-rei-goldstein

Women are treated differently by medics due to poorly understood sex differences?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3343578-Women-are-misdiagnosed-more-often-and-treated-differently

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heresyandwitchcraft · 23/08/2018 12:04

Sensitive question about single-sex spaces and trans family members?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3343859-AIBU-Transgender-family-member

Figures on male violence and sexual assault?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344226-Figures-on-male-violence-and-sexual-assault

Protecting sons from the influence of porn?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344143-Protecting-children-sons-from-the-influence-of-porn

Welsh assembly statement - strongly anti-woman
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344122-Very-strongly-anti-woman-Welsh-Assembly-statement

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heresyandwitchcraft · 23/08/2018 16:37

The GRA and women being consulted?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344531-The-GRA-reform-and-women-being-consulted

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heresyandwitchcraft · 23/08/2018 22:20

Jonathan Best piece on #StickerWoman
Smile
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344719-Jonathan-Best-piece-on-StickerWoman

Another gay man is coming out
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344389-Another-gay-man-is-coming-out

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heresyandwitchcraft · 23/08/2018 22:38

Legal question about the Gender Recognition Act consultation

An excellent discussion on the impact of self-ID on single-sex spaces
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344488-Legal-question-about-consultation

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heresyandwitchcraft · 24/08/2018 00:19

A message to TERFs and other Transphobes
Added just for reference, in case you're ever doubting why women are concerned about biological males opting in to the category of woman...
(it's not a fun watch)

Julie Bindel in debate with Jane Fae!
Round 1

Round 2 Panel discussion in Manchester on censorship and free speech
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TransplantsArePlants · 24/08/2018 13:16

Time for a bump

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heresyandwitchcraft · 24/08/2018 20:49

Men and women are different?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3345633-we-are-different

What's up with the Green Party?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3345607-It-would-seem-the-Green-Party-have-some-explaining-to-do

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heresyandwitchcraft · 24/08/2018 23:01

Another man comes out as gender-critical!
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3345940-Another-man-speaks-out

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heresyandwitchcraft · 25/08/2018 00:04

And yet another man, this time from Canada
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346005-and-another-man-the-GC-view-from-Canada

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heresyandwitchcraft · 25/08/2018 17:12

Furries? WTF are they?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3345977-Furries

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heresyandwitchcraft · 26/08/2018 00:49

Green Party official statement on David Challenor, the father Green Party spokesperson Aimee Challenor, being convicted of torturing and raping a 10 year old girl, a crime which occurred at the official address for the Coventry Green Party'
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346448-Green-Party-statement

Feminist Conference FiLiA in Manchester
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3309126-Kick-arse-feminist-conference-in-Manchester-Oct-FiLiA

Let a Woman Speak Event in Plymouth!
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3340364-6-days-to-go-until-Plymouth-LAWS-event

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heresyandwitchcraft · 26/08/2018 11:32

A young politician and transgender activist (Aimee Challenor) who is running for deputy leadership of the Green Party used her father (David Challenor) as her election agent even though he faced charges of raping and torturing a 10-year-old girl.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346800-Andrew-Gilligan-Sunday-Times-Challenor-Green-Party

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heresyandwitchcraft · 26/08/2018 14:49

Are schools in Scotland breaking the law?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346629-Am-I-reading-the-law-wrong-or-are-these-schools-in-Scotland-breaking-it

A response from the Green Party about self-ID, from Patrick Harvie
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145917-A-response-to-Patrick-Harvie

Edinburgh University to hand out pronoun badges?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346977-Edinburgh-University-to-hand-out-pronoun-badges

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heresyandwitchcraft · 26/08/2018 14:57

If you ever need to see what trans activists think about gender-critical feminists
twitter.com/FearMyHat/status/1033632579113701376

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LadybirdsAreBirds · 26/08/2018 18:43

Thanks again for keeping this up heresy

heresyandwitchcraft · 26/08/2018 22:36

These videos - if you do not read all the Challenor threads (although you should), then at least read this article, and watch these videos
metro.co.uk/2018/08/26/green-politician-pulls-out-of-deputy-leadership-race-over-child-rapist-father-7884459/

Lisa Muggeridge's analysis:

An Open Letter to the Green Party - from Women's Voices Matter
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347578-An-Open-Letter-to-the-Green-Party-From-Womens-Voices-Matter-26th-Aug

Trans activist vandals target a listed building for hosting a meeting of women.......
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3346945-Trans-vandals-attack-listed-building-with-obscene-graffiti

False rape claims - should young girls go to prison?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347057-should-young-girls-go-to-prison-for-false-rape-claims

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redshoeblueshoe · 26/08/2018 23:06

Thank you.
I worked with a transman a very long time ago.
I thought live and let live.
Then maybe a year or so ago I started reading the feminist boards.
Very recently I was out with a group of my peers and none of them knew anything about what was going on.
They were shocked - and this is a group of well educated professionals.
I will point them to this thread.
Maybe I will have to tell them to stop reading The Guardian, and try The Mail instead Grin

heresyandwitchcraft · 27/08/2018 11:20

The Guardian: SHAMEFULLY IGNORING SAFEGUARDING CONCERNS IN A POLITICAL SCANDAL INVOLVING A GREEN PARTY SPOKESPERSON USING A PERSON ARRESTED FOR DEPRAVED SEXUAL CRIMES AS THEIR ELECTOR, and instead choosing to demonize reasonable comments by a female MP.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347716-Guardian-LGBT-activists-criticise-minister-for-women-over-trans-comments

Green Party Statement continuation thread: what about the Scouts, gymnastics team, etc, and did supporters of Aimee Challenor publically "out" the innocent victim of this horrific sexual violence?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347925-Green-Party-statement-continuation-thread

Let's talk about SAFEGUARDING
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3344556-Let-s-talk-about-how-safeguarding-is-being-disregarded

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heresyandwitchcraft · 27/08/2018 11:22

The TERFblocker list?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3347854-The-TerFblocker-list

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