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This never happens: male offenders in female prisons

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NotTerfNorCis · 17/07/2018 23:14

//www.thesun.co.uk/news/6804433/transgender-lag-sexually-abused-four-female-prisoners-days-after-arriving-at-west-yorkshire-jail/

A TRANSGENDER prisoner has been accused of sexually assaulting four female inmates after being sent to a women’s prison.

The first of the alleged attacks took place within days of her arriving at New Hall jail, Wakefield, West Yorkshire.

The inmate was sent there despite not having had gender reassignment surgery.

It is claimed she was visibly aroused when she allegedly assaulted the first inmate.

She was originally sent on remand to New Hall women’s prison after a judge heard how she had been living as a female for more than two years.

The alleged attacks will reignite the debate over whether transgender prisoners should be sent to women’s jails before they have had surgery.

It is claimed the first attack ­happened within days of the transgender prisoner’s arrival at high-security New Hall, Wakefield, West Yorks.

The alleged victim — an inmate with whom she had struck up a friendship — said the remand prisoner stood close to her and touched her arm while her erect penis was sticking out from the top of her trousers.

It is alleged she subsequently made inappropriate comments about oral sex to another prisoner before giving her a bear hug.

A third alleged victim says she was also attacked.

And a fourth woman prisoner claims she was kissed on the neck.

The transgender prisoner has now been sent to a Category B men’s jail.

The latest figures show there were 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales at the end of March 2017, up from 70 a year earlier.

At the moment transgender women can only legally change their gender on their birth certificate if they have been medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria and have lived as a woman for two years.

This is the rule often used by judges when they are deciding whether to send transgender prisoners to a male or female prison.

Under current rules transgender inmates are able to dictate how they are both searched and addressed by prison officers.

They can also benefit from greater freedom in how they dress and can shower and wash clothes in private.

Prison authorities have been forced to issue new regulations following a rapid rise in the number of transgender inmates and concern about their treatment.

Transgender prisoners first won the right to have gender surgery in 1999.

Lifer and convicted kidnapper John Pilley, now 64, and five other prisoners launched legal action to have surgery on the NHS.

Last year The Sun told how a ­double rapist who had £10,000 NHS gender surgery in prison was moved to a women’s jail.

Jessica Winfield, born Martin Ponting, attacked two girls but is now in HMP Bronzefield, Surrey.

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OvaHere · 17/07/2018 23:23

Gosh I'm so shocked this happened. How could we have foreseen this?

Said nobody rational ever.

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Branleuse · 17/07/2018 23:25

This sort of thing just would never happen!!

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Amalfimamma · 17/07/2018 23:28

It's the sun
It's all lies
All female prisioners are terfs
Transphobic news
Been planted by the mn terfs to make us look bad
Prisioners were jealous of the bravery and beauty of trans prisioner and made up a story
Prisoners tried it in with trans prisoner, were rejected so made it up


Heads up for the screams of transphobia on Twitter.

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SPOFS · 18/07/2018 00:21

This is disgusting, but sadly, it was always the next step. I hope those women sue and the people who made that decision end up imprisoned themselves.

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EmotionallyFemale · 18/07/2018 00:32

Lets just enjoy this sentence some more;

the remand prisoner stood close to her and touched her arm while her erect penis was sticking out from the top of her trousers.

Good thing this never happens or that’d be an odd sentence.

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AngryAttackKittens · 18/07/2018 00:40

So how many things that never happen that we have documentation of happening are we at now?

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R0wantrees · 18/07/2018 00:45

June 2nd 2018 Mail on Sunday article:

'As more transwomen who were convicted as men hope to follow rapist Martin Ponting into female wings, prison governors fear vulnerable inmates could be attacked

(extract)
'Prison governors warned last night that transferring sex offenders who are born male but believe they are female into women’s jails could lead to vulnerable inmates being attacked.

The jail chiefs spoke out following Theresa May’s pledge last year to make it simpler to change gender, and to ‘streamline and demedicalise’ the process.

Transgender activists are demanding a change in the law so that anyone can do this simply by announcing they ‘self-identify’ as a member of the opposite sex.

But one governor, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: ‘My fear is that this could make it much harder to control the transfer of born-male, transgender prisoners to women’s prisons.

‘This could lead to vulnerable women being intimidated – and even attacked.’ (continues)

Prison reformer Frances Crook said that she was worried that ‘some men with a history of extreme violence and sexual violence against women have found a new way of exercising aggression towards women’

Ms Crook, executive director of the Howard League for Penal Reform, added: ‘These men are not transitioning because they like women and want to be a woman, but in order to exert a new kind of control and dominance over women, a sort of infiltration.

‘Moreover, the process is inherently discriminatory. A woman identifying as a man could not be transferred to a man’s jail because placing a person with female attributes into a prison to live with 1,000 men, all using communal showers and living areas, would put them in serious danger." (continues)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

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Koalablue · 18/07/2018 00:55

stood close to her and touched her arm while her erect penis was sticking out from the top of her trousers.
Bit like being on a crowded train.
Hopefully people will take more notice now. No male bodied people in womens prison, no exceptions.

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 18/07/2018 01:08

In a professional capacity I've visited New Hall on many occasions. It's like central station for vulnerable and abused women. The most intimidating aspect of my visits has been going through security.

I've also been into the local men's prison, just the once. The palpable sense of threat and aggression in the visitors room was terrifying and I was on full alert the whole time I was in there. There was sense that violence could break out at any moment and there would've been nowhere for me to run safety should that happen. I was so relieved when my visit was over.

I'm used to being in highly stressed situations professionally and my skills at de-escalating highly charged situations where violence could easily erupt are pretty fine tuned.

Anecdotal evidence, I know, but leaving strong impressions of the differences between men and women's prisons. I wouldn't last a week in a women's prison but I don't think i'd survive a day in a men's prison.

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R0wantrees · 18/07/2018 01:16

In a professional capacity I've visited New Hall on many occasions. It's like central station for vulnerable and abused women

Independent article 26th June:

'Government scraps proposed women's 'community prisons' in new strategy to reduce female offending'
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"The government cited statistics showing almost 60 per cent of female offenders have experienced domestic abuse – an estimated 24 to 31 per cent have dependent children and those in jail or on probation are more than twice as likely to suffer mental health issues as men.

Almost half of all female prisoners in England and Wales say they committed their offence to support the drug use of someone else, the Ministry of Justice said, while many more are substance abusers themselves."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-prison-uk-community-sentences-centres-reoffending-rates-children-funding-a8418271.html

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TransplantsArePlants · 18/07/2018 05:24

This never happens. It never could happen. It never will happen. Why an earth would a man take advantage of the ease of identifying as a woman to get at women? HmmWink

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PeakPants · 18/07/2018 05:49

The more stories like this that come out, the better.

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bigoldscaredycat · 18/07/2018 06:09

Well colour me shocked.

Here’s another one where the story refers to A MAN (I will NOT call this piece of shit a woman) throughout as her. He raped a 3 month old baby boy in a female prison in Canada. Claims to be a woman. Just been refused parole for beating up a woman in a woman’s prison too apparently.

torontosun.com/news/national/feds-deny-paying-for-convicted-pedophiles-implants

It’s like something from a nightmare, reading about these disgusting men referred to as women.

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bigoldscaredycat · 18/07/2018 06:10

Sorry should have read ‘and is in a female prison’

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AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 18/07/2018 06:28

Prison governors warned last night that transferring sex offenders who are born male but believe they are female into women’s jails could lead to vulnerable inmates being attacked.

Who would have thought... this is a scandal Angry

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bigoldscaredycat · 18/07/2018 06:31

The media have got to stop referring to these people as she in their reporting. I actually find this level of gaslighting quite upsetting, to read sentences like ‘her erect penis’.

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RadicalisedPortal · 18/07/2018 06:47

I cannot possibly have read that story as these things cannot happen.

Transwomen ARE women

Transplants ARE plants

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noeffingidea · 18/07/2018 07:06

Anyone with a smidgeon of common sense can see this is the endgame of being able to self ID as a woman, taking it to it's logical conclusion. I feel so sorry for any woman who's caught in this situation.

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TransplantsArePlants · 18/07/2018 07:09

bigold


Although it's repellent gaslighting, I quite like that they do it. I think it highlights the ridiculousness of it. As long as the report establishes the facts first, referring to male penises is likely to make the objective reader think WTF?

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SnuggyBuggy · 18/07/2018 07:11

It's strange how transmen aren't desperate to be validated by being sent to men's prison.

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SophoclesTheFox · 18/07/2018 07:15

This Never Happens, though!

"her" erect penis? how can you write that with a straight face? Confused

And also, this weasly, minimising mealy mouthed sentence needs to be shot out of a cannon: "Jessica Winfield, born Martin Ponting, attacked two girls"

He raped them.

Not "attacked". Raped. With his penis.

Which led Penis News to clutch its pearls at the sheer horror of the Mail, when reporting the story, to "deadname" Ponting and suggest that rape was a bit of a manly crime - link

But This Never Happens.

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FermatsTheorem · 18/07/2018 07:31

Christ on a bike, there's a poster on the AIBU thread about the Canadian case calling us all bitches for saying that the now transection rapist who raped a baby with his penis is in fact not a woman.

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FermatsTheorem · 18/07/2018 07:40

Oh and she's just been joined by an MRA, how lovely.

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NotTerfNorCis · 18/07/2018 07:44

Just seen that, Fermat. The only other person I've seen use that phrase on these boards was a TRA who got most of his posts deleted. Wonder if it's the same guy.

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HotRocker · 18/07/2018 08:01

But I thought girlDick was smaller and more flaccid and more fragrant?
No, this couldn’t possibly have happened. #FakeNews

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