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Jess Bradley, suspended - Part II

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LaSquirrel Mon 30-Jul-18 14:00:51

I thought I would kick off a part II
Part I is here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3320513-Jess-Bradley-first-transgender-student-officer-suspended-after-flashing-photos

ReappearingWoman Mon 30-Jul-18 14:02:37

Thanks LaSquirrel.

Worth keeping an eye on developments when they become known, and keeping the subject visible as it's important.

Safeguarding matters.

VickyEadie Mon 30-Jul-18 14:07:25

I've been musing on the TRA/etc response of 'it's not fair to suggest all transwomen are the same...etc' and I've decided that my response is this:

We've been saying all along that there are people who are fetishists and predators who want to get into women's spaces. You've either waved our fears away ("that never happens") or told us to "call the police if it does".

We've told you that the presence of people with penises puts women and girls at risk and your response has usually been either 'no it doesn't' or 'suck it up/suck my lady dick'.

You've told us that transwomen aren't safe in men's spaces, but they can't possibly be told to just "call the police" if they are attacked, etc.

And now - within a couple of weeks of learning that a TW placed in a women's prison assaulted 4 women (which got the response that women in prison's word 'can't be trusted' from a trans Labour women's officer), we get this catalogue of perversion from a trans NUS officer.

You must forgive us for suggesting it looks a lot like allowing self-id will put women at risk.

Sarahconnor1 Mon 30-Jul-18 14:07:51

There were some good questions raised in the previous thread

The extent of Bradley's influence - we already know they've advised the government and delivered NHS training.

The suggestion made by the whistleblower that trans organisations know about this kind of behaviour - see also Fionne Orlander's tweets

How someone on 24k can afford to hire Carter Ruck

where is the due diligence

Ereshkigal Mon 30-Jul-18 14:10:31

Peachyoghurt

https://t.co/uijwsVMD3m?amp=1

ZuttZeVootEeVro Mon 30-Jul-18 14:15:06

VickyEadie. Yes

I'm intrigued by the suggestion that their interest were known before they were given the job. The chance of it coming to light is a big risk for any organisation to take on.

Unless their skills were worth the risk, or perhaps their behaviour was seen as normal and not a risk.

Floisme Mon 30-Jul-18 14:15:11

Thanks for starting this LaSquirrel I really don't care how many threads this takes.

The last time I was on the other thread we were discussing Bradley's role with regards to The Trans Equality Legal Initiative (TELI) and potential connection to Michelle Brewer, a lawyer who is due to speak at the WEP conference.

genderskeptic Mon 30-Jul-18 14:15:30

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LaSquirrel Mon 30-Jul-18 14:15:59

I think a few women made mention that, a simple internet search on some of these 'key player' types would be revealing.

But to a degree, it works in our favour, that it breaks as a scandal. It shows that those entrusted to oversee or participate in consultations cannot even be arsed spending ten minutes on google, to see who they are getting 'advice' from.

Yet we (generally) are supposed to trust that these same people have our collective best interests at heart. Ten minutes on google, then you would not have looked like clueless fools. Just sayin'.

JackyHolyoake Mon 30-Jul-18 14:17:46

Bespin

Apart from a couple of earlier very isolated examples, the medical and surgical treatments for transsexuals were developed from the 1950s by Dr John Money and Dr Harry Benjamin at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore.

LaSquirrel Mon 30-Jul-18 14:18:23

Stop straw-transing, genderskeptic.
You do look more foolish with every dumb post you make.
I have the Geneva Convention on speed-dial now.
I am fairly sure your straw-transing is a war crime of some sort.

VickyEadie Mon 30-Jul-18 14:18:45

You all love to conveniently forget that asking trans women to be in mens spaces instead puts them at extreme risk of violence. But so long as its a trans woman getting beaten up and abused instead of you, you don't care.

The usual response to our fears of being assaulted by TWs or predatory men in women's spaces is 'you can just call the police'. TWs can do the same in the men's spaces, surely?

Anyway - it's not our role to act as human shields for TWs or give fetishists/perverts the space in which to get their rocks off - the latter being entirely the point in this case.

reeldoop Mon 30-Jul-18 14:20:07

Still agog at "there's nothing innate about sex"

Do people really think that? I think the whole of twitter needs to be sent back to school to retake Biology GCSE then do A level Biology. The lack of knowledge and education about the biology of mammals just astounds me in this debate.

BettyDuMonde Mon 30-Jul-18 14:20:39

And then John Hopkins completely stopped providing sex reassignment surgery/associated treatments for decades as they decided it was ineffective.

genderskeptic Mon 30-Jul-18 14:21:16

I'm just here speaking the truth for anyone who'll listen. It was trans people who blew the whistle on Jess Bradley, and none of your high-horsing changes that basic fact. If all trans people are a risk, why are there trans people on the side of survivors? why are there trans people calling out people like Jess despite the huge personal cost of opportunists like you using it to tar all trans people?

JackyHolyoake Mon 30-Jul-18 14:21:45

genderskeptic

You referred to Disorders of Sex Development in the previous thread. DSDs are very specific to either a female or a male.

Have a read: www.leonardsax.com/how-common-is-intersex-a-response-to-anne-fausto-sterling/

genderskeptic Mon 30-Jul-18 14:22:28

lmao do I need to point out how the police have never solved anything and are more likely to be domestic abusers than any other group?

TheCountryGirl Mon 30-Jul-18 14:22:47

* You all love to conveniently forget that asking trans women to be in mens spaces instead puts them at extreme risk of violence. But so long as its a trans woman getting beaten up and abused instead of you, you don't care.*

They're MEN! They DO NOT BELONG in women's spaces! Do you compute?

As for your last line...how dare you! You are implying that women should just accept being beaten up and why make a fuss about it - it's men pretending to be women who really matter, right?

You're disgusting.

genderskeptic Mon 30-Jul-18 14:23:10

Intersex isn't a disorder its a natural variation that disproves binary categorisation

LaSquirrel Mon 30-Jul-18 14:23:18

Still agog at "there's nothing innate about sex"
Do people really think that?

Only those who believe, or are pushing, an alternative cult viewpoint as opposed to ... reality.

VickyEadie Mon 30-Jul-18 14:23:20

If all trans people are a risk, why are there trans people on the side of survivors? why are there trans people calling out people like Jess despite the huge personal cost of opportunists like you using it to tar all trans people?

Tell me - exactly where did anyone say "all trans people are a risk"?

We are saying that self-id offers perverts, predatory men - and those TWs LIKE Bradley who have a vested interest in getting into women's spaces - carte blanche.

Don't you understand that?

ZuttZeVootEeVro Mon 30-Jul-18 14:24:22

That's a good video from peachyogurt. Worth a few minutes to watch.

If transpeople want safety, they could spend their time, money and engery to campaign for their own safe spaces, rather than removing safe spaces for girls and women.

LaSquirrel Mon 30-Jul-18 14:24:56

Intersex isn't a disorder its a natural variation that disproves binary categorisation

No, it is a 'disorder of sexual development', and, as a 'disorder', means that it is an exception, not the rule.

Your trolling 101 is tiresome.

VickyEadie Mon 30-Jul-18 14:25:45

I'm going to return to this quotation, because it's extremely telling:

But so long as its a trans woman getting beaten up and abused instead of you, you don't care

'Instead of you'.

genderskeptic Mon 30-Jul-18 14:26:23

Nowhere did I suggest women should accept being beaten up! I said there should be solidarity between women against being beaten up instead of throwing easy targets to the wolves to hope it keeps them at bay. It only feeds them!

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