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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #17

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nauticant · 13/02/2025 15:59

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks. However, it is going to overrun and there will be an adjournment with the hearing resuming in July (current best estimate). The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently caused by a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

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KnottyAuty · 14/02/2025 00:30

TheJoyousBee · 14/02/2025 00:06

I suspect JR will NOT want an actual expert though. Just someone who identifies as one.

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Oh that would have been good if MF had said that when JR questioned her qualifications!

Mollyollydolly · 14/02/2025 00:30

WearyAuldWumman · 14/02/2025 00:25

They're scared.

I'm possibly outing myself with this, but what the heck.

About 3 yrs ago, I went to the Vic to have unexplained bleeding checked out. The woman gynae I was supposed to see was off. I was greeted by a man who told me that he was a consultant. Fair enough.

He'd give me a scan and - if he saw a polyp - would remove it. Okay...

I stressed that I was in my 60s and had never given birth. (3 very early miscarriages.)

To my shock, he started cutting without pain relief. During it, I asked him if he'd stick a scalpel up a penis with no pain relief.The staff in the corridor heard my screams. He finally stopped: "I can't get the one on the cervix."

He left. The female nurse gave me paper towels to clean myself up. My thighs were covered in blood. Blood on the couch. A puddle of blood on the floor.

I was own my own (recently widowed) and in shock. Cleaned myself, the couch and the floor.

Heard another nurse in the corridor speaking to my nurse: "Is she all right?"

My nurse came back in. "I've been discussing this with my colleagues. We don't think it's right..." but there was no intervention during it all. Obviously scared for their jobs.

Afterwards the doctor got me to sign some kind of consent form for a D&C. No idea whether it covered what he'd already done.

Drove home. Accidentally went through a red light. Made it home. Went to bed. Hallucinated that my husband came into the bedroom to check on me.

At the my next appointment, the female consultant gave me a D&C and polypectomy (several, including uterine) under GA at the QM.

Last year, the problem returned. Saw the female gynae - she was brilliant. Was passed to minor ops for a hysteroscopy and polypectomy. Was in terror...a male name was on the letter...but (thank God) it was a different male, an older chap - and he was brilliant. This time, it was a full operating theatre where all the other team members were women.

Local anaesthetic. No polyps found. Mirena coil inserted to prevent uterine cancer. It hurt a bit when the speculum went in, but otherwise pain free.

At QM, all the nurses seemed much happier and more relaxed. At the first procedure in the Vic the atmosphere was completely different.

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Jesus Christ, you poor thing. I feel sick reading this. Is it too late to complain? Sending you so much love and sympathy. He needs his bollocks cutting off without an anaesthetic.

murasaki · 14/02/2025 00:33

That is appalling @WearyAuldWumman

Joolsin · 14/02/2025 00:33

I'm yet another who has nearly lost my Duolingo streak thanks to you lot!!! We're hosting a birthday party at the weekend - no cleaning done, no menu decided, no shopping done, not sure I have any clean (big girl) pants as I haven't done any laundry in nearly two weeks. I will be much more prepared for July!

ED was a human shambles!

Joolsin · 14/02/2025 00:36

Thanks once more to @nauticant and the transcribers (boom, see what I did there!). Hugs to those who've detailed their horror stories at Fife. And welcome to the newly-peaked!

murasaki · 14/02/2025 00:36

JR could be Laura Linney. Maybe...

KnottyAuty · 14/02/2025 00:36

ContemporaneousNotes · 14/02/2025 00:24

Can we cast Meatloaf as anyone?

patient in A&E?

murasaki · 14/02/2025 00:37

KnottyAuty · 14/02/2025 00:36

patient in A&E?

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Well given he's dead, one that Dr Upton didn't think the sex was important to ascertain.

PerformativeBewilderment · 14/02/2025 00:40

As Meatloaf is dead, surely he must be Pete the Plumber!

KnottyAuty · 14/02/2025 00:41

murasaki · 14/02/2025 00:37

Well given he's dead, one that Dr Upton didn't think the sex was important to ascertain.

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Look if sex is not immutable then anything is possible

murasaki · 14/02/2025 00:41

PerformativeBewilderment · 14/02/2025 00:40

As Meatloaf is dead, surely he must be Pete the Plumber!

Ooh, good call

Caerulea · 14/02/2025 00:42

@WearyAuldWumman what in the actual fuck?!! Was it Bring Your Victorian Cosplay to Work Day??

I'm not surprised you panicked when you saw a male name, you were tortured :(

I had a traumatic experience as an older teen with a male dentist but it's been memory boxed. I don't know what happened just that now I'm utterly terrified of dentists. Not in a 'oo I don't like the sound of the drill' way, but uncontrollably shaking & sobbing & apologising. Last visit saw the assistant spend most of her time mopping up the tears streaming down my face while the dentist worked. This was the first time I'd told a dentist why I was in such a mess & she was so lovely about it.

Mollyollydolly · 14/02/2025 00:42

We need lots of extras to be played by real heroines - Maya, Helen Joyce, the women of For Women Scotland, JK Rowling, they all need to appear in a Hitchcock tableau.

KnottyAuty · 14/02/2025 00:43

Right I'm off to bed - here's the cast list with latest updates - excellent suggestions!

Dr Upton - nicholas hoult, Rupert Grint, David Tennant, Karla Sofia Gascon, Dana International, Christopher Eccleston, Daniel Radcliffe, Mackenzie Crook

Sandie Peggie (or other NHS staff yet to be introduced): Sharon Small, Anne Marie Duff, Ashley Jensen, Claire Grogan, Sarah Lancashire, Laura Main, Siobhan Redmond, Daniela Nardini, Shirley Henderson

Pete the Plumber - Brian Blessed (although he is neither bald nor burly), Danny Dyer

Naomi Cunningham - Maxine Peake, Glenn Close, Meryl Streep, Fiona Shaw, Kate Winslet? Suranne Jones… "The actress who got shagged on Concorde in Rivals" - Victoria Smurfit?

Jane Russell - Imelda Staunton, Frances Barber, Alison Steadman, Jennifer Saunders, Shirley Henderson, Katherine Parkinson, Emma Watson, Laura Linney

Esther -Sophie Thompson

Judge - Charles Dance

Julie Walters as Grannie Peggie

David Bradley as Grandad Peggie

Ricky Gervais as husband Peggie

Any others?
Snickers bar resus kid -
Missing child -
Jodie Foster? Saoirse Ronan? Lupita Nyong'o?

murasaki · 14/02/2025 00:43

KnottyAuty · 14/02/2025 00:41

Look if sex is not immutable then anything is possible

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The transubstantiation of Meatloaf is not something I'm prepared to consider.

WearyAuldWumman · 14/02/2025 00:44

Mollyollydolly · 14/02/2025 00:30

Jesus Christ, you poor thing. I feel sick reading this. Is it too late to complain? Sending you so much love and sympathy. He needs his bollocks cutting off without an anaesthetic.

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Thank you.

I think it is - though I did speak to my GP and the other two consultants about what had happened.

I didn't have the capacity to do anything at the time - and I'm not sure that I'd have it now. It's been 4 years since I was widowed and I still feel as though I've had the rug pulled from under me.

Based on my experiences at the Vic - not just the one that I've outlined here - I'd say that there's something rotten at the core of that hospital.

GreySkirt · 14/02/2025 00:45

@WearyAuldWumman I’m so so sorry that happened to you

KnottyAuty · 14/02/2025 00:45

WearyAuldWumman · 14/02/2025 00:44

Thank you.

I think it is - though I did speak to my GP and the other two consultants about what had happened.

I didn't have the capacity to do anything at the time - and I'm not sure that I'd have it now. It's been 4 years since I was widowed and I still feel as though I've had the rug pulled from under me.

Based on my experiences at the Vic - not just the one that I've outlined here - I'd say that there's something rotten at the core of that hospital.

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So sorry to hear this! It sounds very difficult and not right at all.

WearyAuldWumman · 14/02/2025 00:46

Caerulea · 14/02/2025 00:42

@WearyAuldWumman what in the actual fuck?!! Was it Bring Your Victorian Cosplay to Work Day??

I'm not surprised you panicked when you saw a male name, you were tortured :(

I'm so glad that you found a good dentist.

Mollyollydolly · 14/02/2025 00:48

KnottyAuty · 14/02/2025 00:43

Right I'm off to bed - here's the cast list with latest updates - excellent suggestions!

Dr Upton - nicholas hoult, Rupert Grint, David Tennant, Karla Sofia Gascon, Dana International, Christopher Eccleston, Daniel Radcliffe, Mackenzie Crook

Sandie Peggie (or other NHS staff yet to be introduced): Sharon Small, Anne Marie Duff, Ashley Jensen, Claire Grogan, Sarah Lancashire, Laura Main, Siobhan Redmond, Daniela Nardini, Shirley Henderson

Pete the Plumber - Brian Blessed (although he is neither bald nor burly), Danny Dyer

Naomi Cunningham - Maxine Peake, Glenn Close, Meryl Streep, Fiona Shaw, Kate Winslet? Suranne Jones… "The actress who got shagged on Concorde in Rivals" - Victoria Smurfit?

Jane Russell - Imelda Staunton, Frances Barber, Alison Steadman, Jennifer Saunders, Shirley Henderson, Katherine Parkinson, Emma Watson, Laura Linney

Esther -Sophie Thompson

Judge - Charles Dance

Julie Walters as Grannie Peggie

David Bradley as Grandad Peggie

Ricky Gervais as husband Peggie

Any others?
Snickers bar resus kid -
Missing child -
Jodie Foster? Saoirse Ronan? Lupita Nyong'o?

The missing child could be the dwarf from 'Don't Look Now.'

Enough4me · 14/02/2025 00:49

Owen Jones in a role as a drippy friend for Theodore, acting as himself as he'd fit well for the role.

Caerulea · 14/02/2025 00:49

Mollyollydolly · 14/02/2025 00:48

The missing child could be the dwarf from 'Don't Look Now.'

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Ahhh c'mon now, I was thinking about going to bed! Why would you bring that up?

Mollyollydolly · 14/02/2025 00:50

Dan Hodges as a reporter outside the tribunal - wearing a pork pie hat with a fag hanging out of his mouth.

Lunde · 14/02/2025 00:51

KnottyAuty · 14/02/2025 00:24

Or JR - for her voice? And because all other suggestions for JR seem to be rather unfairly over 60!

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I hate to break it to you but Shirley Henderson is 60 later this year! She was 40 the last time she played Moaning Myrtle!

Needspaceforlego · 14/02/2025 00:51

Peregrina · 13/02/2025 21:44

I nearly lost my 900 day streak on duolingo

I kept my streak but got demoted a league.

Where do you find the leagues - my streak is 1203?

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