Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 17

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council will be on the 20th June. I don't know if the existing links and pins will work. I will email nearer the time to check.

If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access.
Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 20th June 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Glancing through their closing submission, there seemed to be a general threatening (to my reading) tone that the tribunal needs to be very careful not to make a wrong decision in this case, in that they have let AB get away with a lot in the context of the hearing because they are nervous about the subject matter.

I enjoyed Ben's tone of disdain referring to how GC were facing "lots of complicated issues and it was all very busy."

BC highlighting that GCC tweeting AB was under investigation was outrageous.

No concern for her reputation or wellbeing shown, was there.

Infantile i know, but I snigger every time someone says 'Shaan Knan'

User237845 · Today 14:37
There was a witness towards the end about which BC did say this. I think AH interjected with (more) righteous indignation and said "it seems like Mr Cooper is saying that the witness is lying" and BC replied "that is exactly what I am suggesting". Not sure on the direct quotes of others but that was def what BC said. Can anyone remember. Was it MB?

I do remember that - I can't remember who it was about though, which is highly irritating. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Might have to look back through the many threads!

BC says it's explicit that KM was trying to get AB expelled and that KM agreed that was a possible result from his complaint.

That liability is unequivocal and Stonewall is bang to rights (he actually said that!) is KM's complaint.

Was it AB's room sharer, David Renton, who recorded her calls?

Have just caught up and am wondering what point was being made when referring to the collision with the bin. Surely if you’re driving, especially with children, you’re meant to be doing so with ‘due care and attention’ rather than taking part in work related calls? Shouldn’t barristers and judges, of all people, be careful to observe the law at all times, including when driving?

BC making clear that success of claim against GCC is not dependent on success of claim against SW. The two are distinct.

He's making me all butterfliy in my stomach every time he says"induce".

Always heard here in Kenneth Williams' Carry On voice.

It was Michelle Brewer colliding with a bin whilst talking to SK.

The bin-cident was mentioned to explain why the events surrounding it, ie the telephone call, were so memorable to the witness.

Glancing through their closing submission, there seemed to be a general threatening (to my reading) tone that the tribunal needs to be very careful not to make a wrong decision in this case, in that they have let AB get away with a lot in the context of the hearing

I somehow haven't seen those parts , but while looking I just came across a paragraph which compares AB unfavourably, as a witness, to the Stonewall crew. And I feel like I need to lie down.

(Actually very surprised at the snide tone towards AB. You get the feeling it was written by a teenager. You'd think they'd at least try to look more reasonable and less like nasty bullies.)

'bin-cident'

Actually very surprised at the snide tone towards AB. You get the feeling it was written by a teenager. You'd think they'd at least try to look more reasonable and less like nasty bullies.

This sums up my feeling about all the Stonewall people, the GCC people and their legal representatives. I'd also have thought they would all at least try to look somewhat competent, as well, but no.

That allowing this case at all is indulging AB's hostile political campaign against Stonewall.

I think. That's what I picked up but I was hanging out my washing at that point.

I think you might be right there.
It was a slippery witness, not MB as I didn't see their evidence, but I did see DR.

Maybe I'm biased, but BC seems to be calmly stacking up the many reasons why Stonewall and GCC were intertwined in a very persuasive way. Particularly the fact that they renewed their Stonewall Champion membership in the middle of it all, giving a clear indication to Allison that they were taking sides.

This is what I thought the summing up would be. Rational, joined-up thinking without histrionics.

Thanks, that makes more sense now!

ickky · Today 15:08

Was it AB's room sharer, David Renton, who recorded her calls?

Oh bravo @ickky ! That saved me a trawl.

I've missed what time it's supposed to finish today. Can someone help me out here? I have house guests whom I have ignored most of the day.

"User237845 · Today 14:37
There was a witness towards the end about which BC did say this. I think AH interjected with (more) righteous indignation and said "it seems like Mr Cooper is saying that the witness is lying" and BC replied "that is exactly what I am suggesting". Not sure on the direct quotes of others but that was def what BC said. Can anyone remember. Was it MB?"

I do remember that - I can't remember who it was about though, which is highly irritating. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Might have to look back through the many threads!

That was the guy who was in charge of the GC twitter, he had a lot of details about the number of tweets in the twitter storm thread, but adamantly claimed that he hadn't seen any of the threatening tweets to Allison. I was so glad that Ben called him out so unequivocally. He doesn't waste a scrap on emotional posturing like AH does, but packs a whallop with a few well chosen words, delivered directly and matter-of-factly.

'bin-cident' - outstanding nauticant!

Was it David de Menezes (zez) then?