Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 17

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The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council will be on the 20th June. I don't know if the existing links and pins will work. I will email nearer the time to check.

If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access.
Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 20th June 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

They were all supposed to have 1hr45.
Supposed to finish at 4pm I think.

Bet AH is gutted though. He didn't really have much opportunity to consider what he could use his 5 minutes for and I bet Jane Russell had written a corking rhetorical flourish which will never now see the light of day.

If she likes we can get her in as a script consultant on the film and include a scene that cuts away to her pacing inconsolably as she says it out loud in a legal library where only the tomes will hear it.

There was a witness towards the end about which BC did say this. I think AH interjected with (more) righteous indignation and said "it seems like Mr Cooper is saying that the witness is lying" and BC replied "that is exactly what I am suggesting". Not sure on the direct quotes of others but that was def what BC said. Can anyone remember. Was it MB?

I think at the end then BC said five min break and then he'd go for an hour?

Posting without further comment.

Doesn't EJ have written submissions given to her? Can't believe she's having to write down all this twaddle...

While I'm waiting for screen to refresh (unless absolutely nothing is happening at the ET) shouldn't there be increasing demand for recording public cases?

I was at a complex hearing with the Rural Payments Agency. Our friend's barrister said he didn't need a stenographer. From what we recollected (my note taking is bad) the RPA had made a huge error. There was an appeal and either a court stenographer or recording would have made a lot of difference.

😂😂😂

EJG will be making notes of things to ask or relevant things to think about in her deliberations Appalonia.

At the beginning, didn't AH ask to reserve 10 minutes of his time to the end to answer BC's arguments? And didn't he just burn through at least 5 minutes of that?

Ben is going to cut through all this twaddle (crosses fingers).

It really was twaddle, it was impossible to pay much attention to. I wasn't there for IO but I gather she was even worse? And with much less excuse, it really shouldn't be difficult to make a compelling and concise "nothing to do with us, guv" argument for SW. AH has a much harder job and maybe more excuse for being such a snoozefest.

I have clearly watched too many courtroom movies. I was expecting the summing up to be the dramatic part! I wonder if BC is also going to bore.

BC starting his response now.

Poor EJG starting to go number blind I think.

high-handed, malicious, oppressive and insulting

well, I'm not bored so far. That was a great list of adjectives.

She does, I think she's making notes about the points they're highlighting as important in their verbal submissions.

Great point Ben - AH and IO argument illustrates general theme of case ie outrage at Allison's temerity. So true.

Such a breath of fresh air to listen to Ben, not just because I'm on that side but it is just clearly so much more coherent

Oh dear I nodded off in AHs closing arguments. Awake and alert to listen to BC.

Hoping for a Dick Warlock mention.

BC: "Garden Court has effectively sought to blame the claimant for getting abuse..." and "downplayed that abuse"

Overall BC's argument has been that AB had been adversely affected in a number of ways and GCC were like "whatever". It seems slightly off-topic but I'm wondering whether this is a key determinant in employment tribunals, that an employer showing disregard can often be indicative.

Ben is such a refreshing drink of water. A drink of water with a pleasing beard.

BC has highlighted something we've said all along - that GCC downplayed death threats to AB but blame their Twitter 'storm' for their hasty actions

So far BC has been going after GCC but not after SW. To my mind that reflects how the case has gone overall and where there can be wins for AB.

What was BC referring to earlier on with SW's 'attack on the Tribunal' (which received the response from EJ "We're thick skinned."?)
I skimmed through SW's closing submission but couldn't find it.

Bloody hell, I got booted after 'temerity' and have only just got back in! Thanks for the updates all.