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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 17

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ickky · 03/06/2022 15:32

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council will be on the 20th June. I don't know if the existing links and pins will work. I will email nearer the time to check.

If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access.
Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 20th June 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

OP posts:
LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/06/2022 11:50

EJG 😂

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/06/2022 11:50

EJG: I need to wrap a cold towel 'round my head! 😂

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/06/2022 11:50

Stop telling EJG how to do her job

Birdsweepsin · 20/06/2022 11:50

I volunteer as cold towel!

chilling19 · 20/06/2022 11:50

EJ - wrap cold towel round her head! We hear you!

Mmmnotsure · 20/06/2022 11:50

EJ I'm going to have to wrap a cold towel round my head.

We, too, EJ. We too.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/06/2022 11:51

Almost two hours!

chilling19 · 20/06/2022 11:51

Finally!

oviraptor21 · 20/06/2022 11:52

Interesting question from EJ

If we find that AB hasn't suffered any detriment does case fall or does liability for the attempt remain

Long answer from IO

EJ would like to wrap a cold towel around her head.

ickky · 20/06/2022 11:52

Good old Hocky now.

OP posts:
dworky · 20/06/2022 11:52

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/06/2022 11:46

I was thinking more along the lines of a random by-passer. Just someone to kindly tell her she's done really well and why doesn't she go and get a biscuit from the kitchen now and let someone else have a go.

😁

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/06/2022 11:52

Who has the 90 page submission

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/06/2022 11:52

Ah. This is how you do it. Set out at the beginning what you're going to do and how it's structured.

chilling19 · 20/06/2022 11:52

AH for GGC - series of bullet points.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 20/06/2022 11:52

AH promises to be more succinct than IO.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 20/06/2022 11:53

I would've done the 5 minute break before he started though.

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/06/2022 11:53

Oh it's GCC's submission

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 20/06/2022 11:53

Thank fuck that is over 😫
Who would ever hire IO QC in future after that abysmal performance

CatsOperatingInGangs · 20/06/2022 11:53

Its quite a relief to here Mr H after all that

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/06/2022 11:54

Are the SW team and GCC team allowed to discuss their closing statements in advance? Or is it all done independently

oviraptor21 · 20/06/2022 11:54

Chrysanthemum5 · 20/06/2022 11:52

Who has the 90 page submission

GCCs closing submission is linked in the very handy document that Peter Daly posted earlier.

I see it has also been separately recently linked in chat

dworky · 20/06/2022 11:55

Here we go, can't turn up his own volume.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 20/06/2022 11:56

I know - I never thought I'd be so relieved to hear his dulcets! 😂

oviraptor21 · 20/06/2022 11:56

We appear to be in the claimants authorities bundle now also recently linked in chat

oviraptor21 · 20/06/2022 11:58

AH seems able to open his argument without a single er, um, stutter or pause.

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