Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

These is so odd! You have my taste preferences! I have never come across that before. McVities chocolate digestives are glorious.

@Waitwhat23 it didn't exactly scream weekend blowout that photo does it!!

I'm about to scour my cupboards for odds and ends so I can't really talk. I think I've got a dusty refresher lolly tucked away somewhere. I am rather jealous of your Viscounts though. * *

@Zebracat did you mention foxes crunch creams? Do you have any? I'll give you everything in the photo I posted a minute ago for just one crunch cream.

Pleeeeease? 🙏

I mean look at the photo it's so sad looking, and I've been eating stale cat licked lemon fairy cakes for days.l

Go on. You know you want to. (Sends subliminal thoughts to get you to bend to my will...)

if it helps you feel better they are two months out of date, which surprisingly gives them a wagonwheel type texture. It's....interesting!

Ooh that’s reminded me I’ve got some Love Hearts somewhere!

I love refreshers, haven’t had them for years.

I mean... yes. But sympathy for the migraine. I get them, and started 2021 with a 5 week on and off number. Got sent for an MRI in the end. Which showed that I did indeed have a brain, much to everyone’s surprise. But nothing obviously wrong with it, as by the time the appointment came through the migraine had stopped - fancy that!

Migraines are a right sod, and one of the few things that justify Rich Teas.

Sorry to derail the biscuit chat , but what happens when we get the verdict on Maya's case? Will it just be a published announcement, or will there be some kind of public meeting at the court? I know nothing about how ETs work.

Keeping in touch with your roots. Good woman. <approving>

I remember the days when I too was grateful for that humble biscuit.

Did you used to take the top off, then scrape off the cream with your teeth and devour its sticky sweetness greedily, and then give the biscuit bits to the dog?

You will feast like a Queen!

Viscounts . . . minty, minty Viscounts . . . 😋

I like parma violent - they taste like my grandma's face powder smelled and it brings back lovely memories.

I have 3 spaniels who will help you with the custards creams if you so desire.

If any of you are wondering where your snacks have gone, I feel I should be transparent and be clear it was me that reported it all to the snack police. I felt that the discussion was not fair to fig rolls and needed to be curtailed and the jaffa cakes had gotten far too big for their boots.

Sorry not sorry.

I bizarrely have good memories of that migraine. That's because my bloody amazing doctor was so concerned when she spoke to me on the phone, as I couldn't use one side of my body so couldn't get to the surgery, came out to do a house visit to make sure I hadn't had Stroke. Who knew there is such a thing as a Hemiplegic migraine.

All through the home visit she kept glancing behind me. Once she left I managed to turn round to see what she had been looking at behind me. It rather large glass kilner jar of a certain herb. I was mortified!

She was a fantastic doctor who used to be hours behind in her appointments because she would just sit and really talk to you to get to the bottom of what was going on. At one point I had an appointment and she admitted she'd been so wanting to help she'd gone back and read 40 years of doctors notes. From birth to that appointment. I don't think I'd still be here if she hadn't been my doctor.

I was so sad when she retired, but even then she was great and rang me up to make sure I made an appointment during her last week so we could At goodbye.

I really miss her.

I think (though IANAL and may be wrong) that the judgement comes in written form only. I think the parties and their lawyers may be sent advance copies so that they can prepare. I think from memory it's only 24 hours or something like that.

The judgement then goes live on the Tribunals website, and either or both sides can publicise it if they choose.

Or I may have dreamed all that.

@Boiledbeetle mate, I've knocking up a little cupboard in the corner of my sedan chair as we speak for the <cough> herbs and edibles. It'll be next to the medicinal brandy, behind the olives.

Now that IS a law that needs sorting out in the uk regarding the chronically ill but that's a whole other thread

@Emotionalsupportviper

I can't always get my brain to work right and sometimes it stops at what it thinks is the end of a sentence

I read "they taste like my grandma's face" mmmmmm tasty!

You have indeed described my childhood custard cream eating to a tee. Although as you couldn't actually guarantee that you would see a biscuit again any time soon I ate the biscuit bits to. If it was the last one I'd try to eat the biscuits first so i was just left with a sliver of cream!

I was going to say we didn't have a dog though, then remembered that actually we did. How could I forget that! it's probably because I actually wanted a cat!

The Viscount biscuits are no more! The parma violets are a third eaten and the custard creams, so far, remain unopened. There are still five stale cat licked lemon fairy cakes though!

Tomorrow is going to be a tough snack day

@AlisonDonut well in that case...

I have just reported your name. I don't like the way you identify as a badly spelled doughnut!🍩

😂

@SpindleSheWrote a kindred spirit. I mean the olives obviously! They're what make life liveable. But only the green ones, don't mind an occasional stuffed one. Still talking about the olives!!

That's your choice obviously.

Live and let live, that's what we all say here. I'm glad we can remain civilised about these things.

<dips delicious doughnut into poison arrow frog venom>

Here - let us seal our lifelong friendship of tolerance and forbearance with your namesake snack.

<proffers doughnut>

snort!!

This is why they think we are all mad you know!!

We don't help ourselves! Or is that yourselves??

I...erm...love love hearts, but can't read them anymore, my arms aren't long enough. I have to put them down and walk away. Then I'm left wondering wtf I'm doing and where the hell has my love heart gone.

I used to like nibbling the pattern off custard creams. I think, subconciously, I was trying to make them look as boring as they taste.

I spend vast parts of my day wondering what I'm doing. Why did I go in the dining room? Why I did I stand up? Have I just been for a pee or did I just think about going for a pee? Because I definitely want a pee!

It must have taken you hours to eat a biscuit! Or did you treat it as a speed sport?

Oh and just assume all the love hearts say KISS ME and eat the buggers before you lose them again!

Oh Beetle that might be the best advice I've received all year. Thank you.

Seriously, thank you.

It's a pleasure ICake!

Well that seems a fitting end to my day, especially as the cat has already called me to the bedroom twice and been back down to chivvy me along once. If I don't go soon I will be sorry.

I'm coming my sweet...... It's only because he gets bedtime snacks you know!

Bed for me too. Sweet(ie) dreams.