Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 15

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhause

r QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC (teehee)
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To come:

just got back - black screen - are they on a break?

I have done on all three browsers on my laptop numerous times, and it's just blank in all of them.

Maybe the room is at capacity.

i may or may not be shouting words at the screen right now. . aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Said she didn't encourage complaints from stonewall. NOW, just admitting she did encourage complaints via Shaan at a meeting stonewall were at.

They've all got things that they remember "absolutely clearly" and then everything else is I can't really remember it was 2019.

BC: did you decide it was sufficient for SK to raise the MPage tweet at the round table.
SK to MB: Ton are concerned that round table being held at chambers where AB works. Asked MB what do I do if AB posts raised at round table?
MB: If participants raise it, direct them to the complaints policy for chambers.

FYI the other barrister being referred to:
Shu Shin Luh
www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/news/shu-shin-luh-wins-junior-pro-bono-barrister-of-the-year-2019
Now at Doughty Street Chambers:
www.doughtystreet.co.uk/barristers/shu-shin-luh

Described AB's tweets as ' anti trans '.

Oh MB is properly shouting at BC now 😳

Is MB saying that she launched her Butlerian Jihad mainly because of her outrage over people thinking ill of Morgan Page and that they'd run the "Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling" workshop?

What should I do if participants are concerned about 'transphobic' Allison Bailey

a) reassure them they are safe in chambers
b) make a complaint about Allison Bailey

Hmm, wonder which one impartial judge Brewer advised.

tempted to write in the chat box 'where is the volume control, please?' 😏

I've logged out and in 6 times and still black screen. I'm on the list of participants in there though...

Did she earlier say that SK contacted her after he'd made complaints to HOC earlier?

And now she's saying that he was distressed and she suggested the complaints procedure? So SK hadn't already made complaints?

Is she contradicting herself here?

MB does protest much! She’s quite agro isn’t she. Or is that just my perception?

Is it just me or is her tone getting increasingly snitty?

Shouting omg

sorry I'm only following on here - how did MB even know about the MP tweet ?
and thanks everyone for all the hard work

She should have told S K to get a grip!

Thoughtful Helen Joyce piece in which she brings her characteristic forensic self to an area that is much in need of some clarity.

I had intended to write something else this week, but then Catherine McGahey QC, of Garden Court Chambers and a former vice-chair of the Bar Standards Board, gave evidence in the hearing of Allison Bailey’s case against her barristers’ chambers, Garden Court, and Stonewall, alleging discrimination on grounds of sex, sexuality and gender-critical belief. And what she said was even more extraordinary than the ramblings of Kirrin Medcalf, Stonewall’s head of trans inclusion, two weeks ago (here’s the issue where I focus on what Medcalf said, and the highlights of her testimony on Sex Matters’ website). And so I decided to change tack.

This issue of Joyce Activated is free, because I want as many people as possible to understand what was said in the Bailey hearing. Please share widely, and if you enjoy it, please consider subscribing.

www.thehelenjoyce.com/joyce-activated-issue-7/

I'm back in the room.

check your settings. video and mic on first page need to be on.

quick question...

anyone believe her???

anyone??

Ooh add 'kids in the car' to the bingo card

gaaaaahhhh I'm having the same issue as some posters above. Black screen!!! But I have a break... I have so much FOMO right now