Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 15

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhause

r QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC (teehee)
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To come:

MB: Mr Knan called me, very concerned.
I told Mr Knan I have raised my concerns with HoC about AB tweets.

currently a lot of minimising of her involvement in the complaints

I'm sure this has been asked and answered before, but will the tribunal find the multiple non-disclosures suspicious? If you couldn't find the info for disclosure but miraculously unearthed a relevant email when preparing for court then either:

• you didn't care enough about disclosure to look properly


• you were selective in what you disclosed (and presumably there's more stuff you still haven't brought forward)

BC you knew that members of Stonewall would be attending round table event.

MB Yes

I just cannot believe that she is prioritising trans refugees needs over the (presumably much greater number) women refugees. Who absolutely in many cases will want and need single sex spaces. There's no balance at all, it's all about the trans. Many women refugees may have the same views as Allison.

I posted upthread but it's moving fast so will post again that I once read about women in refugee camps using nappies or just toileting outside because they had been raped in the toilets.

Gaaah. I acidentally closed the tab and now I just get black screen.

bit of nail chewing now.

MB says she was furious about the MP tweet

Question: As MB is no longer at GCC, but clearly wants to keep her feet firmly under the SW table, might it not be in her interests to throw GCC under the bus here?

MB really wants to talk about the Morgan Page tweet.

MB 'I was furious about the Morgan Page tweet'

morgan page tweet shocking allegation to make. ok then MB

Admits she was furious about Morgan Page tweet!!

Placemarking.

MB was incandescent with rage about the Morgan Page / 'overcoming the cotton ceiling' workshop tweek!!!

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MB: I was furious about the MPage tweet. Shocking allegation to make. I was going to speak to Stonewall and then I didn't. I have never contacted Stone about this.

She was furious with AB about the Morgan Page tweet as "it was a shocking allegation to make" but didn't feel the need to raise it. Eh?

If I had meant that I would have said it/ done it.

I just didn't do it. I meant to do it and somehow I didn't do it.

Try going in and out a couple of times

MB -I did not contact Stonewall about this.

BC - hold my beer again.

Yes, the whole think stinks to high heaven of people trying to cover stuff up.

The rubbish bundle, the lack of disclosure, the non-answers, the dragging things out in a transparent attempt to run the clock down. The (in some cases) obvious lying. The seemingly across the board lesbophobia and re-definition of lesbian to mean someone who can be sexually attracted to anyone else (? I"m assuming that's what they're getting at with their defense of the cotton ceiling workshop).

I so want to be able to see AH's facial expressions.

Multiple disclosure, including disclosures of things not disclosed earlier, is common and not remarkable in itself. What can make it remarkable is if a late disclosure is a game-changer or there's something clearly fishy about not disclosing earlier, for example an earlier email search didn't find an email while a later identical search did.

BC you said you will be in touch with Stonewall on Monday. You were intending to bring tweet to their attention.

MB Yes

BC did you do that

MB not but was furious about Morgan Page tweet. Shocking allegation.

(Think she wants BC to go there, maybe he won't)

BC Email exchange you refer to intending to damage limit with Stonewall on Monday

MB Yes because of Morgan Page tweet. I accept that. I disclose that. But I didn't do it.