Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 15

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

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There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhause

r QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC (teehee)
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To come:

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Another 'if I'd wanted to, I would have done'. I don't think that necessarily provide the defence she thinks it does, it just shows the extreme confidence she has to behave however she likes in complete confidence that her motivations are beyond reproach.

MB: There was no gossiping or whispering in the corridors about AB.
Under oath.
Perhaps they only did it in offices/over whatsapp/in phone calls.

Yes as it show bias.

BC - relentless Rottweiler now activated

and onto this was nothing to do with me I was an Innocent conduit of information, think of me as a chambers yellow pages/google.

i paraphrase

Good grief, this morning has been a Herculean task to keep up with. I’m absolutely not in a meeting with my headphones actually plugged into my iPad (which lends itself to the rather schizophrenic experience of trying to follow two conversations at once…)

I’ve never heard so much waffle in my life and now she’s getting a bit snotty. Going to need a little lie down and some juice at this rate.

I’m not London based. But also I know there was no gossip in the corridors

If she wasn't in a position of influence, why does she think David Renton brought his concerns to her in the first place? Given that she also says she doesn't really know him.

MB I would have rather not been a conduit for people coming to me expressing concerns about AB.

So she WAS a conduit.

MB is the only witness so far that has said ABs tweets were transphobic. Others have all said she had legitimate views but may be seen as provocative.

For gods sake MB just answer a question! How is AH going to bring this back in his cross?

Someone on this board once showed a photo montage of the white men making rules (that affected women single sex spaces) and then how they had been caught in sexual crimes verses black women going to court about this. I would love to see what MB makes of that and:
also Pip Bunce
also do Transmen suddenly show male patterns of violence?

"you can't have it both ways"

Exactly, MB. If you include TW in our single sex spaces as women then you are also excluding women who do not want to be around male people.

Honestly, she can't see the four fingers pointing back to her. Bit of a worry seeing as how she's a judge.

MB didn't want to be a conduit because she wanted to be in charge of orchestration while others did the deeds.

'If I wanted...'

'Will someone rid me of this meddlesome priest?'

Another "if I wanted to do XYZ, I would have done it" denial, rather than a No, when asked if she was encouraging Gendered Intelligence to complain.

What was already in the public domain or about to be in the public domain.

MB - There was nowhere in that email where I said put in a complaint

BC - hold my beer

So difficult to keep up with the thread, watch, and try to do some vague attempt at work today!

I don't understand how they can think this is a good legal strategy? Or is it that they would rather lose the case than be heretics.

You can see how people end up dying for their faith can't you.

She's a lawyer. Of course she doesn't put in writing 'you should make a complaint'. But writing 'if you want to make a complaint ...' is an invitation.

Which amounts to the same thing.

How does someone so obtuse get made a judge??? Very disturbing.

I suspect she's on the edge of panic. I've been under heavy crossfire on the stand as a witness, and I got very stressed by the aggression of the barrister cross-examining me. Apparently I drank glass after glass of water. I wasn't aware of it. Panic made my mouth dry. She's decided that attack is the best form of defence. I think the judge and other tribunal members will see it. She's up against a wall and fighting for her credibility.

Remember, this woman wasn't just a founder of TELI and doesn't just think the LGBA is a hate group and hasn't put the rights of a black lesbian colleague far below the rights of a trans colleague — she is also a JUDGE.

MB looking stressed now.

Break