Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 15

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhause

r QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC (teehee)
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To come:

Just linked MB and DDM’s actions I think.

17th October MB sent a screenshot of a tweet to David (?) and it's not in her WS.

MB is such a dominating figure I can't see how the tribunal could fail to see how she influences stuff even if the written trail is gappy. She's like a steamroller. She's been talking over the judge in this hearing FFS. Members and staff in chambers haven't a hope of standing up to her.

How come this email she's just mentioning wasn't included in the original disclosure?

She must have been so devastated by the appeal ruling in Maya’s case.

All these activist lawyers were. Renton wrote his silly blog about it.

I've often had the same thought RoaringtoLangClegintheDark. After the ET had thrown out Maya Forstater's case, initially, as no case to answer, all the trans activists took this as an invitation to declare open season on gender critical women and for a couple of years it was relentless. Barristers like MB went along with the herd and must have realised that the appeal decision reversed things so completely that those attacking MF and her fellow gender critical women beause of their views had actually been the bigots all along.

MB keeps forgetting that she doesn't use Twitter

BC did you attempt to convince Mia Haki-Law and David de Menezes to help organise action against AB.

Waffle, waffle, can't remember, why would I do that, waffle, waffle, can't remember.

MB Declares checked her phone today and found message not disclosed due to error

GussieGrips (Elaine Miller), Sarah Phillimore, Ann Sinnott, Sonia Sodha all in the room. Plus, interestingly, Jon Holbrook, who the Bar Standards Board had to climb down to after imposing disciplinary measures.

I have to go to the dentist. If anyone can make sense of anything over the next hour, please let me know.

If you give a "why would I do that", non-answer answer, and at the end, there are loads of unexplained gaps, will that aid AB?

We just had a "I'm not on Twitter". Yep. We got that.

Another tinkly little laugh. It’s a real 'tell'.

allison is involved with org thought to be transphobic. not not my me. oh no!

Morgan Page tweet - please go there Ben. Let's hear her views.

So MB goes down and speaks to people, including other barristers and clerks. So much for the no gossip/everyone in their own box/only football.

BC: You were talking to MHL and DdM.
MB: But why would I need to do that?

The question was did or didn't you. Her answer is a why would I? Slippery, over and over.

AB: I don't consider LGB Alliance transphobic

NO! MB said she didn't consider LGB transphobic! Sorry

I had to switch off as I was drowning in waffle soup. Is any progress being made? It diesnt feel like it.

"an organisation that's considered transphobic" BY WHO??

This tweet from Humza Yousaf is in relation to a meeting he has with the Scottish Refugee Council & covers concerns for female asylum seekers.

Link to tweet

"Thank you @scotrefcouncil for taking time to meet me & @ChrisStephens about concerns we collectively share about housing asylum seekers in hotels.

Worryingly told by SRC that conditions for asylum seekers haven't improved in recent months.

"I have huge concerns that vulnerable women in particular, some who may have been trafficked, are being accomodated with men & no consideration of they psychological impact that may have.

The hostile environment is costing lives, we need asylum powers in Scotland's hands."

Yousaf was the minister who pushed through the Hate Crime Bill in Scotland & who endured men who cross dress are covered for hate crime, but women were fair game.

Female refugees suffer trauma, and require female only spaces to help them recover from that trauma & keep them safe. But MB still thinks that's a bigoted view to hold.

Ooh, proof that she encouraged others to complain

She's really pearl clutching about the Morgan Page tweet.

It's transphobic to make the choice to leave a marriage if your spouse has transitioned?

And homophobic, apparently. Never mind the fact that the law says a person has the right to decide to leave the marriage and that the government have refused to change the law. It seems to me (though I am biased) that MB is a True Believer, and thinks that anyone who disagrees is a dangerous bigot so it is fine to treat dissenters as the heretics they are.

MB - we know full well what the context is dear

It's worth remembering who Tara is.

The person currently being mentioned: is she a client? I don't get the impression that she is.