Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

If this was a male TRA I'd assume it was a deliberate piece of gaslighting.

Why doesn't BC just cut in and stop her going on?

when he finally does, AH interrupts to complain and manages to waste yet more time...

wow - high priestess of woo indeed

Only some people's trauma is important apparently.

Exactly! WTF?

Who was it who said earlier in the hearings that GCC would no longer be a safe space because women like AB might attack transwomen in the women's loos - Kirren Metcalf from Stonewall I believe....

Very good point show her hypocrisy.

So MB is a judge - would she tolerate this level of grandstanding and waffle in her cases? I think she is being very disrespectful to EJG

What on earth was the subject of the paintings?

That's just an admission of prejudice, isn't it? That's exactly what it is.

If gender critical people make trans people feel 'unsafe', then there's the discrimination.

Yes it was Kirren.

One of the things I've learned from the past few years is that institutions, and society in general, needs to be very careful before giving influence and power to individuals who identify themselves as being activist- anything such as activist-journalists, activist-lawyers, and particularly activist-judges.

What on earth was the subject of the paintings?

Good question!

She's so waffley I'm finding it very hard to maintain concentration. I got so distracted I started buying plants 😂

Trans is everything for this woman.

AB's views impact on access to justice.

She is talking about victims of serious trauma. She seems to have entirely forgotten that Allison is also a victim of serious trauma

MB: TWs are victims of egregious violence.

Goes on to ref her work with TW refugees (?of colour). Seems to extrapolate from this comparatively small and obviously incredibly disadvantaged group to inc all TW, inc the cohort of white, middle-class, middle-age males whose experience and privilege will be vastly different, almost incomparable.

One of the things I've learned from the past few years is that institutions, and society in general, needs to be very careful before giving influence and power to individuals who identify themselves as being activist- anything such as activist-journalists, activist-lawyers, and particularly activist-judges.

I completely agree. I hope Brewer can put her personal zealotry aside when she hears a case.

MB is showing herself to have a transcentric view of literally everything.

Nothing else, no one else matters.

She is very ably demonstrating the degree to which she feels justified in all of her actions, because trans

this break I'm going for full fat full caffeine coke and a chocolate bar and a bag of jelly tots.

Give me five minutes and I will be identifying as a hyperactive five year old.

Refernce to paintings could be this:
"Other paintings are more poignant; one showing Mr. Punch hanging himself in a prison cell upset some."
D Grayson Exhibition, TUESDAY 29 JANUARY 2013
www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/news/donald-grayson-exhibition

Is that allowed? Aren't the witnesses meant to be kept away from the proceedings?

EJG HAS to see the hypocrisy and double standards in that last little bit about safe spaces, right?? I mean, BC doesn't need to spend time pointing it out because it's writ large in neon letters, isn't it?

Tbh, my workplace might fall into this category but that's because most of my colleagues are now aged 22-28 and Twitter is for old farts, apparently.

Beautiful!