Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

MB's testimony was estimated as 3 hours PrelateChuckles but I expect that BC will carry on longer, he's building up his case here but it's a slow pursuit against a wily opponent.

I'm so in love with Ben Cooper.

I know it's a long queue but I really really want him to be my friend 🤣

MB is a judge and very high value to the community for which she presents herself as the warrior front.

Ben is pinning her down on how she views GC as transphobia in every instance.

This is pure gold. Go Ben.

Accepts the Birkenstocks remark was hers.

What was that about Birkenstocks?

I don't even have Birkenstocks

BC points out that women who use rape crisis centres will have experienced male violence and will be uncomfortable.

MB says she does understand that.

BC points out that in that discussion (GRA training) MB talks the GC concerns about male privilege in relation to growing up male etc.

BC then points out that MB says people who take that position are white academics in Birkenstocks. In the transcript MB rejects this idea of male privilege. MB is disparaging towards those women and says they are privileged.

MB: GC women are white middle class etc and are not working class BAME women.

WOW. she hates GC women

I can't believe this person was a barrister and is a now a judge. I used to think that people who held these highly esteemed jobs had to have common sense at the very least, and were usually smarter than the rest of us.

How wrong I was.

Ah, “White academics, with their Birkenstocks and their face in The Times”

It is a religion isn't it, she's so passionate, she cannot see the other view at all. She was prejudiced against Allison because of her views. That's clear.

She was very frustrated that women were putting a spanner in her works, wanting these blessed single sex spaces...

BC says her comments are prejudiced.

MB says she was expressing her frustration at the time. She was defending trans refugees of colour. GC feminists wouldn't recognise that some people don't have this white middle class privilege.

MB looking mighty uncomfortable now when having her sneering comments about white middle-class Birkenstock-wearing GC women quoted back to her.

It's like Tunnocks teacakes, sales of Birkenstocks just doubled.

She's now using refugees as some sort of 'gotcha'....

BC very nicely positioning himself nicely to bring the absolute hypocrisy of her treatment of Allison into the frame here...

Trans people of colour presumably trump a certain lesbian of colour....

That's a really stupid way to look at privilege.

MB's horrific stuff about GC feminists being white privileged etc is expressing a real frustration that MB had at the time... that transpeople she was representing were POC and therefore.... (my conclusion?) the only reason anyone could be against self-id is because racism?

No MB, it's prejudice.

Not to be a negative Nellie, but this feels like wading through treacle? Can anyone else see where this is going because it feels like MB is expressing her position effectively.

Quite what % of TW are refugees of colour? This feels a bit niche, but I'm happy to be corrected.

MB justifications for all of her bonkers views are based on the fact that she's represented "transwomen of colour who are refugees". Well, that's proportionate.