Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

I thought a name change was in order, in tribute to the outstanding Martin Reuby, with a nod to the support aviary.
Still catching up from yesterday. Sending love and solidarity to Allison through this traumatic shitshow. In awe of her strength.

She's scaring me now.

MB just said if your spouse transitions, it's transphobic to not accept it in a marriage.

She's getting angry already.

I'm in! Shocked by the fact that MB looks exactly like my old boss!

She is actually suggesting nobody should have any objection to remaining married to someone who is undergoing a ‘sex change’. That’s lunacy. ‘Heaven forbid’ is definitely dismissive of women’s reasonable desire for a choice about whether to remain in what is about to become a same-sex marriage.

Now this, people, is what a high priest of the gender identity ideology looks like.

So this is the woman who's been blithely giving our rights away. Does she remind anyone else of Nicola Sturgeon?

She is outright calling it transphobia and homophobia!

How is EJ reacting to this?

She’s actually trying to claim that “heaven forbid” wasn’t dismissive?

And this woman is now a judge?

Fuck.

p5977 sposual veto - 'heaven forbid' is being positioned as being dismissive as the spouses concerns.

She's saying she wasn't being dismissive but asked family law colleagues to look into it.

Elsewhere she's suggesting that any objection to your spouses transition is homophobia/transphobia.

Oh great, very loud drilling at mine. The electric board are doing some major works and my electric may will go off. 😡😡Typical.

In her witness statement she claims not to regard gender critical views as bigoted. Hmm.

MB started the discussion of spousal veto at this conference but seems to know off the top of her head less about it than probably many people on this thread do.

MB saying we need to look at whole discussion not just sections.

BC: your comment 'Heaven forbid!' at the conference that someone should have to stay in a marriage when the other person has now come out as trans.

MB pushes back of course. And points out that BC has limited time.

Ben has a wicker basket in his background which is the cutest thing ever.

Quite. I would not like a drink with this woman. She’s the sort to suck all the atmosphere out of a room.

MB is so heteronormative she bangs on about it being homophobic to care about a spouse changing gender but doesn't see that it obviously applies to people in same-sex relationships who now find themselves in a straight relationship?

She's awful.

This.

Oh please.

Some concerns 'might' be legitimate but others are prejudice.

I wonder who it is who she thinks should get to judge?

MB: Concerns of some people, when their spouse is transitioning, may be based on prejudice.

EJ and MR both writing furiously

MB is the GCC gender mothership, isn't she?

Sorry, I mean the GCC birthingpersonship.

Bloody bell MB likes the sound of her own voice - it's evidence not a lecture!

AH is already holding his head / covering his eyes. Seems early in the day...