Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

starting well and clear, but then don't they all

Ooh Robbie de Santos from Stonewall has been mentioned in an email. His tentacles are all over the British Cycling/Emily Bridges debacle too.

Irish (Northern?)

It's very echoey in MB's room.

No, she's said more now. Scottish?

Is Hochy on our side?

Picking MB up on not having been invited to the Stonewall intranet

The counsel for respondent always goes first for corrections to witness statement Wookey.

Never has Adrienne's 'Gentle Morning Yoga' session been completed so energetically. I'm here, limbering up my pelvic floor for action.

Scottish accent.

Good luck with the op @Penguintears!

I agree that not caring so much what other people think is extremely liberating. Interestingly, I think this is a state that lots of men exist permanently in. From childhood, boys are encouraged to think about what works for them and put their needs (and wants) first, whilst girls are taught to help others, consider everyone else and put their own needs last.

Another thought - witnesses like KM have been very preoccupied with the idea that trans people must be oppressed because they are a minority. I think this comes from American identity politics where being "minorities" is often synonymous with being marginalised and oppressed. But outside of America, that's very often not true. To use an example from this trial, white people were very much not the majority group in apartheid South Africa, yet they ran an oppressive regime for decades, because they held all the important political and legislative positions. The instrument of oppression is not numbers but power.

I've not been watching live (last big deadline before Mat leave today) but I've been following these threads (and TT intermittently) and they are invaluable - huge thanks to @ickky and all the knowledgeable vipers out there keeping us informed!

MB unsure how long she was a trustee for Gendered Intelligence. If MB looks on the Charity Commission website the information is there. As a trustee of a charity, shouldn’t she know this?

Thanks @LipbalmOrKnickers these hadn't struck me as corrections.

Nicely dropping in there early doors that she was to be appointed a judge.

MB was a Trustee of Gendered Intelligence genderedintelligence.co.uk/
estimated time: 2017/18
gave up when becoming a judge, around end 2019

She's his witness.

The order is:

1. Examination in chief. This is the main evidence from the witness, produced by their side. AH
2. Cross examination. The other side challenges. BC
3. Re-examination. The side who's witness it is picks up on anything from the cross exam. AH.

We're normally not seeing much examination in chief because it's all in the witness statement, so it boils down to, "This your statement? Is it true?" But AH is entitled to ask as much as he likes of his witness when he presents them.

Not sure when became a trustee of Gendered Intelligence, or when stopped being so, even though only a few years ago.

Information inadvertently omitted from documentation.

Here we go.

Can the judge make notes of all these last minute amendments?

They seem quite important.

Any idea why I have a blank screen and no sound? I've tried Safari and Chrome. Haven't changed any settings since yesterday. Have tried logging in and out. So frustrating!

you know how you picture someone in your mind and often you are completely wrong when you actually get to see a picture or video of them

Michelle Brewer is exactly how I imagined she would be, perhaps slightly darker haired but other than I was pretty spot on.

Think we're going to have to add 'just bear with me' to the bingo card for this one...

MB is already looking annoyed on the 2nd question.

I read that as his testicle all over British Cycling 😀

She's really going at the water.

Seconded. Along with the throat clear...

If this 'Michelle L Brewer' in the article is the same person (it certainly looks like her in the picture), what she says is……..surprising, given her alleged role in this case. It’s interesting, that’s for sure.

Article from 2020

Blinky.

There’s lots of rapid blinking with this witness.