Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

In other words, AB made a serious allegation of victimisation and KC treated it like a trip to the headmistress.

So as long as you mouth back if you're victimised, you're not actually victimised.

I've been in a meeting and missed about 15 pages of this thread!

I'm reminded of the kind of fragility where a white person complains that a colleague has been unbelievably offensive and hurtful in calling them racist.

Right: he was included in the SAR and so he retaliated. It was a clear retaliation to a protected act.

SS mentioned it in his rude letter.

So is BC making the case that Allison faced hostility from all sides?

Because Ameanstreakamilewide that would simply be a rude man explaining how his rude email was not rude. BC is going after a biased investigation by GCC which is far more potent to show prejudicial treatment.

yes in the end they both apologised and that was a good outcome [??????😡]

KC's stuttering is hilarious.

bu.... uh... the... the....ug..... um.. um yes.

Only following on this thread, so I may have misunderstood the issue, but surely saying that words or deeds will bite someone in the ass means they will regret what they said/did. It's not abusive.

What time are they planning to finish?

Whoops, should have refreshed! I see we have moved on.

EJ interjection! Gosh she's so sharp.

Unclear if Simlet redacted names etc in data he gave to AB and which he said she could not share

Sounds like BC is fairly close to wrapping up with this witness?

umming and erring goes up a notch

hostile and discourteous statements, but only from AB, Simlets were merely 'robust, Double standards

Not "lady like" language is maybe the issue?

OK for Simblet to be incredibly offensive but a nice girl should not say gasp "ass"?

Bloody hell, yes!

It doesn’t give an impression of sincerity or directness, does it?

Also, by her tit for tat/both sides analogy, Ukraine responding “robustly” to Russia’s “robust” invasion puts Ukraine on the same moral footing as Russia.

Another weasel in the long list of weasels.

They were completely blind to her vulnerability, weren’t they?

Ok I see why Bill Roach has had to work so far into his dotage

Hope so, I need to start tea so DC2 gets to cubs on time.

@SettingsO No I don't think that's an accurate representation

Overall I'd say today's been a decent day for AB, at least on some detriments. There cross-examination of DdM gave weight to the fact that Stonewall did have some broad influence over GCC's activities, rather than some isolated support by individuals who didn't discuss this with each other, and the cross-examination of KC and her blustering to excuse SS's dreadful unprofessional engagements and her inadequate and partial "investigation" was very interesting.