Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

Wasn't EJG a solicitor?

She should know how these responses should go. I think we should watch her reactions carefully.

I’ve just got the sound on and I keep thinking I’m listening to Germaine Greer 😳

KC's disembodied giant hands are freaking me out

So difficult to follow these stuttering and incoherent answers. Huge respect for TT making some sort of sense out of this.

Equal opportunities in her putting down Allison

KC was given the task of investigating AB's Grievance Concering Stephen Simblet, particularly his exceptional unpleasantness in dealing with AB's SAR, and, like all of the other investigations carried out in GCC around this issue, she appears to have screwed it up because of an inability to be impartial.

I think she might be ignoring the fact that AB’s request was a protected act?

Both Allison and Stephen are known in Chambers for being emphatic in their speech... so I didn't as outside of what would be a Chambers Meeting on topics that people feel strongly.

I saw Allison's comments to him and about him, including the 'biting on the ass' comment as having a similar force...

I actually think she's telling the truth here.

However, the problem is he isn't writing to Allison, but to Peter Daly, her solicitor.

Try football chat. Quells all known nastiness.

You know you’ve listened to too much Tribunal when you send an email with a document and catch yourself referring to “page 33 of the attached bundle”.

I think Allison shouldn't have sent the comment about his words biting him on the ass - I know she must have been very upset at the time but it gave them a reason to dismiss SS's appalling behaviour

😂😂

KC: you definitely see this kind of language in litigation documents.

No, you don't. Well, not in those drafted by professionals. But you can see it in the small claims court by litigants in person.

Wow! Their Chambers Meetings sound lovely! 😂

😁

Why does Bill Roach/ Coronation Street keep being mentioned??

I've only been dipping in and out of this, but my perception is that BC isn't killing it in the same way he was with Maya's case, is that right?

She looks quite like her too.

I'm thinking Stephanie Cole plus accent for the movie.

Tit for tat? No, AB’s solicitor sent a polite request and received an abusive tirade.

SS also threatened that any disclosure of his "data" ( the rude letter) might result in AB and PD being investigated by the ICO or other regulators.

I don't think the comments were on a par - fairly astonished they are claiming that

Because in the SS's email he likened AB's campaigning to Bill Roach having obtained a court decision that he was not boring. (Yes, it really happened.)

Something to do with this I think:

Roache, 66, gambled and lost big time on the damages he thought he would be awarded after the Sun branded him 'Boring Ken Barlow' and claimed he was hated by his Coronation Street co-stars. Although a jury found in Roache's favour in 1991, they only awarded him £50,000, the same amount the paper had offered to settle out of court. By the rules of libel, Roache was adjudged to have wasted the court's time and was thus responsible for his own £120,000 costs. Had the jury given him even £5 more, Roache might still be a wealthy man.

Devastated, he sued his solicitors, Peter Carter-Ruck and Partners, claiming he had been given bad advice. The High Court thought differently, and so his legal bills grew and grew.

Why is SS himself not here explaining himself?? 🤨